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Old Wed, Dec-04-02, 09:14
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Question What should I do now? Chol. way up

Hi everyone. I have been low carbing for about 5 months now and have lost 32 lbs. I feel great, but I just had my cholesterol checked and the numbers aren't good. Number in parantheses is from a few months before starting low carb. I am 36 and in relatively good shape otherwise. I do have a family history of high choleserol but relatively low incidence of heart disease.

Trig. 55 (70)
total 298 (232)
HDL 51 (45)
LDL 237 (187)

Basically my doctor wants me to either try a low fat(or at least low saturated fat) diet or go on lipitor. I said I would prefer lipitor since I don't want to give up my way of eating. What do you guys think? Are there other options out there. How will lipitor effect my weight loss. In general I am not adverse to medication. TIA

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Old Wed, Dec-04-02, 13:02
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robincorn--

Ultimately, this is a decision you have to make for yourself. I'm not a physician, and I cannot give you medical advice. But there is real reason to doubt that cholesterol causes heart disease. Sources of information include Dr. Malcolm Kendrick and Dr. Uffe Ravnskov. These are clearly argued and documented. Most important, they show that the establishment's own research does not support the cholesterol-heart disease connection. And they provide quotations from establishment doctors conceding this.

See what you think. Investigate it. Ask your doctor about these things. Then act on your best judgment.

Good luck.

Sheldon

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Old Wed, Dec-04-02, 13:36
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This is from a posting that I made back in October, more food for thought before you embark on a lifetime of prescription drug taking.


Do you still want to take those statins ?????

INTRODUCTION TO THE CITIZEN’S PETITION ON STATINS

By Peter H. Langsjoen, MD

The medical profession has, after more than 30 years of excellent propaganda, successfully created the wholly iatrogenic - "pseudo-disease" dubbed "hypercholesterolemia" and the associated malady "cholesterol neurosis". After decades of dismal failure to cure this "disease" of numbers with low fat diets and a host of cholesterol lowering drugs, the medical profession stumbled upon the magic bullet, the cure for this dreaded artificial disease - statins (HMG-CoA reductase inhibitors). First released on the US market in 1987, statins have rapidly grown into one of the most widely prescribed class of drugs in history. Statins do three things:

1. They block the body's ability to make cholesterol, thus lowering the blood level of cholesterol, thereby curing cholesterol neurosis. Doctors and patients equally neurotic have immediate gratification. The "evil" high cholesterol has been dramatically lowered and the future is bright and promising. So far...so good.

2. Unrelated to their cholesterol lowering, statins have been found to have anti-inflammatory, plaque-stabilizing properties which have a slight benefit in coronary heart disease.

3. Statins kill people - lots of people - and they wound many, many more. All patients taking statins become depleted in Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10), eventually - those patients who start with a relatively low CoQ10 levels (the elderly and patients with heart failure) begin to manifest signs/symptoms of CoQ10 deficiency relatively rapidly - in 6 to 12 months. Younger, healthier people who's only "illness" is the non-illness "hypercholesterolemia" can tolerate statins for several years before getting into trouble with fatigue, muscle weakness and soreness (usually with normal muscle enzyme CPK tests) and most ominously - heart failure.

In my practice of 17 years in Tyler, Texas, I have seen a frightening increase in heart failure secondary to statin usage, "statin cardiomyopathy". Over the past five years, statins have become more potent, are being prescribed in higher doses, and are being used with reckless abandon in the elderly and in patients with "normal" cholesterol levels. We are in the midst of a CHF epidemic in the US with a dramatic increase over the past decade. Are we causing this epidemic through our zealous use of statins? In large part I think the answer is yes. We are now in a position to witness the unfolding of the greatest medical tragedy of all time - never before in history has the medical establishment knowingly (Merck & Co., Inc. has two 1990 patents combining CoQ10 with statins to prevent CoQ10 depletion and attendant side effects) created a life threatening nutrient deficiency in millions of otherwise healthy people, only to then sit back with arrogance and horrific irresponsibility and watch to see what happens - as I see two to three new statin cardiomyopathies per week in my practice, I cannot help but view my once great profession with a mixture of sorrow and contempt.

Statin-induced CoQ10 depletion is the topic of a recent petition to the FDA requesting that this drug/nutrient interaction be identified in a black box warning as part of statin package insert information. A comprehensive review of animal and human trials addressing this issue has been submitted to the FDA as a supporting document. We, of course, do not expect any response from the FDA, but 10 years from now when the full extent of statin toxicity becomes painfully evident, at least we can, in good conscience, know that we tried and who knows, sometimes small sparks may spread in dry grass.
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Old Tue, Dec-10-02, 17:31
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Good article!

What you could do is watch what kind of fats you're eating - it's those trans fats that are so bad - experts all over admit that "good" fats like peanuts, olive oil, etc. - unsaturated fats - are all right and even necessary to good overall health. Maybe you're getting too many trans fats like in margarine, etc. At least it couldn't hurt to assess what you're eating - my cholesterol was too high, too and I refused any medication and said I'd work on my diet. This is what I'm doing - watching trans and saturated fats - but my test isn't up for a month yet so I can't tell yet if it's working! But I think it's good, sound advice as pretty much everyone in the health industry agrees trans fats are really bad.
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Saturated fat has gotten a bad rap. It is also a good fat. See this.

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