Oh yeah, here it is, Carbohydrates- 24 g. That's for half the bar, so if I eat the whloe bar, it's 48 g.Yes, your post gave me some ideas. So I should make something with equal (sugar substitute) or something in it. I will buy some to put in my coffee as well. So it's important to eat a protien with it? I will remember that. I screwed up today already. My rommate bought a horrible carrot cake home and I had a tiny sliver-good thing it was disgusting! Then had a bowl of honey shreddies with skim milk. And tea with honey. I'll start over tomorrow. Thanks for the tips, I obviously have a lot to learn and better get reading.
The rest on that bar is (half the bar)
energy- 283 calories
protein-5 g
fat-19 g
sugars- 24g
of which fructose-17 g
of which lactose-6 g.
I dont' know why it says lactose all of a sudden, anyway, it's says its supposed to be for diabetes-Canadian Diabetes Association Food Choice. weird heh?
What does CALP and CAD stand for? SO I can look up the book?

Don't I wish we could have everything! It always seems like everything I stick in my mouth is against me!

The only thing I would worry about with the God's Diet is overeating the carbs. I could eat a whole loaf of homemade bread if given the chance. In for a penny in for a pound... literally.

I will look for the book, but I won't sweat over it.

Eurydice - (I love greek myth BTW)

Always eat a protein with whatever you decide to have. Eat it first, so your body will have to work on that before the carbs. Read the carbs on whatever you eat (cereal and milk are very high) it will shock you and change your habits of what you eat.

When it comes to sweetners, aspartame (Equal) gives a lot of people problems. I don't like the taste of Splenda. So I'm left with Saccharin (sweet n' low). I figure they're all going to kill you in one way or the other, so pick your poison and enjoy it. LOLOL

One thing to note though, aspartame loses it's sweetness when put in something hot. I pick sweet n' low for stuff like that.

Don't worry about screwing up I do it all the time. But I learn from them and move on and try to do better the next day. Don't discourage yourself before you get anywhere.

And it's good to ask questions. There are a lot of people here, including me, that are willing to help.

If you want I can tell you what I eat and what I buy at the store. That helps sometimes to get an idea of what's what.

Bry

Thanks alot Brycielan. I'll look at the Atkins Book and the Schwarzbien book and then I'll be better able to know what I'm talking about. I looked at the Atkins before and he says you have to have this big meaty breakfast. I couldnt' do that, but I like the idea of checking to see if you are in ketosis, then you know if you're getting somewhere. I'll read a bit and come back. Thanks again.

Hi There all,
I've got to jump in here and add my two cents.

First I think you are eating way too much sugar! If you have a sweet tooth, look at getting some "Splenda" (sucralose) to add to your meals and drinks.

For the cravings, Dr. Atkins recommends Glutamine, in a fairly large dose. Check out the book.

For seratonin levels, look at getting some 5-HTP.

Lastly, here is the perennial advice for success. Choose a published plan and stick with it. Do not add your own little "improvements" until a good three months or more have gone bye. You have to break old habits and not reinforce them by cheating. You have to accept this as a "way of life" and not a "temporary fix". I'm being blunt here, but experience with successful people and the ones with continuous struggles has proven that this is the best way.

On a personal note. I have chosen Atkins because I looked at what foods I enjoyed eating the most (within the low carbing lists) and decided that Atkins fit the bill. Yes he is higher fat than others, but fat gives flavour and satiety. Protein is a bit tricky for someone with CFS because too much can cause an insulin spike. And being in enforced rest, means that I cannot burn off the excess protein and carbs. So if you are in the same boat as me you might want to give it a try. Remember ATKINS IS NOT ONLY INDUCTION. Sorry for the shout but people seem to only read the induction part of the book and think that that is all there is. It drives me a bit bonkers! It is really a behavior modification program. Of course if you secretly DON'T want your behavior modified, that is another issue.......

I know this is a bit strong but it is meant in the most helpful way.

Thanks
Colin

PS euridice, your symptoms sound like there might be a GI issue. Has your Internist givin you the ole barium milkshake? Also you might want to look for a naturopath to check the supplements you are taking. Good Luck.

Thanks Colin, I needed that!!!!

Myrtih

Thanks Colin for your reply. I've mentioned the barium thing to my doctor. First he wants to send me to another endocrinologist. He wants to deal with my borderline hypothyroidism and can't figure out why such a low dose of thyroid hormone affected my breathing. We don't have that armour thryoid stuff here in Canada. As far as the antidepressant I was talking about I was at the doc today and I picked Prozac to try. I know people gain weight on it too, but I've read here that people on prozac were able to lose the weight and I had to pick something. Thanks for the tips about the Splenda, Glutamine and 5-HTP. I doubt I can take the 5_HTP while on Prozac, but if the prozac doesnt' work out, that's what I will try, I've looked into amino acids for that as well. I've gotten the Atkins book and the Schwarzbein book and will read them. I have a terrible chocolate craving problem, even as I sit here right now I am eating one of my fructose chocolate bars, but like you said Colin, I'm going to look into the different programs,pick one and stick with it. I'm sick of being fat and tired. I'm considering seeing a naturopath, but they've got to sell you expensive herbal treatments and that's out of my budget at the moment. Sorry, I'm blathering,. Thanks again all!.
Hey Colin, I just looked at your profile, man you've done excellent!

Hi Eurydice
Glad to see that you are active in trying to figure out what is happening to you. A couple of tips on chocolate. Check out Ross chocolate bars. You can usually find them in the diabetic section of some Shoppers Drug Marts and in the Alive vitamin stores. They have the best quality of sugar free bars. Purdy's also sells their sugar free truffels. I quite like them.

Be aware that the sugar alcohol sweeteners in these bars do tend to create weight loss stalls in some people. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones, but if you stall you might want to check them out as the culprit.

Also, it has been noted in several conversations I've had, that the body has sort of a pavlovian response to sweetness in the beginning, and will tend to secrete insulin even with artificial sweeteners. That old mind-body connection tripping us up again!

Good Luck in your quest

Colin

There's really "legal" chocolate bars I could eat?! Hallelujah! I'll look for them thanks.

Hi, I would like to ask Colin a couple questions about 5-HTP. I've tried to PM him and Liberty. It keeps coming up saying I dont' have permission. I am logged in. What am I doing wrong?

You have to have at least 25 posts to send a private message. I maybe able to help with the 5-htp, I have some experience taking it. (500mg/day for 2 years)

Hey thanks a lot DuPont, I wondered what was going on! Yes, Colin mentioned the 5-HTP and I was just looking it up. It looks great. I have just started Prozac, but it seems that people gain weight on it and it makes you feel weird etc. I just wanted to ask if it was available in Canada at the stores and which store. (colin lives in the same city as me, so I guess it must be-unless he orders it. ) But also, I wanted to talk to someone who was taking it-what do you feel like on it? Does it help depression and weight loss? And what about side effects? How long until you felt it working? Thanks for any information you could share. Oh also, are there any withdrawal symptoms if you stop taking it? Thank you.

I don't know about buying 5htp in Canada, but I do know that you can buy it at iherb.com and they ship internationally.

I was suffering from moderate to severe depression when I started taking 5htp. I started with 250mg and I felt better with in an hour. I did notice that it wore off by the afternoon, so I took another 250mg dose. I did that for approximately 2 years, while also in therapy amongst other things that I did to relieve the depression. The book that I got my info from recommends a dose of 300mg for mild to moderate depression, also, you may not feel the effects for up to six weeks.

How did it feel? Like the black cloud was lifted, I could raise my head and see rays of sunshine, which made me happy. The pressure on my back and neck melted away. It was a miracle. I finally felt like life wasn't hopeless and overwhelming, I knew could finally deal with my problems.

The only side effects I have had were, stomach upset until I switched to Nature's Way Brand that is enteric coated and doesn't get broken down until it reaches the small intestine, and fatigue. Taking the morning dose with a cup of coffee helped to keep me awake during the day. The fatigue wore off with time. Some people experience increased anxiety in the beginning until their bodies become accustomed to the 5htp.

I didn't lose any weight but I didn't gain any either.

Here is a great website for info on 5htp
http://www.smart-publications.com/books/5htp/toc.html

And if you want to talk on a forum check out:
http://www.sjwinfo.org/forums/forums.shtml

Thanks for your help DuPont, I really appreciate it.

Hi eurydice,

how r u doin?

I read u tried to pm me....is there anything i can help u with ?

I didn't know that we needed 25 posts to pm........thats probably why i cant pm too!



Liberty x

Hi Liberty, I was just going to ask you about that armour thyroid. I've since looked it up though and it's not available here in Canada. My doctor hadn't even heard of it. My TSH keeps fluctuating, going slightly high, but the l-thyroxine they keep giving me doesn't seem to agree with me. The last time I took it, just 50 mcgs, it affected my breathing, but it's weird because I'd never had a breathing problem before and when I stopped the drug, the problem went away. I tried the pills again -same thing, but then the breathing problems have come back on their own, so now I'm on my third 20 pill prescription of xanax. (yeah ) Anyway, I'm being sent to a Dr. Wilkins- a specialist -endocrinologist. My doctor doesn't know why the pills are bothering me and with thyroid disease-I think it just gets worse over time, so If I can't take the one pill we have for it here in Canada. I dont' know what I'm supposed to do. anyway, sorry, didnt' mean to go on so. I was going to pm you, cause this is supposed to be a low carb support board-not a diagnose eurydice board. I went and bought a couple of those Ross chocolate bars Colin mentioned-they're great! But pricey. I sent my roomate to get sugar substitute and he came back with Sugar Twin and I dont' think that's right-it says dextrose. I started the book. I took my first 50 g of 5-THP just a little while ago, cause I decided I wanted to try that before the Prozac. So thanks for the tips everyone. Last night I sent my roomate for a little treat and he comes back with 2 huge trays of chocloate cake-(They were on sale ) So I don't think I'll send him anymore! I've gotten rid of them. (the Cakes) I'm finding it a little difficult to try a new eating program with all these weird physical things going on, but for now will attempt to cut down and off the sugar, and caffeine no or very little bread, rice, etc. Thansk again. You're all very nice here.