I don’t have a Google account. It was confusing to sign up, but I just ignored the Google account field and it did work for me. That process did ask a ton of questions about me…I don’t know what they did with the responses!

The iOS app has rudimentary food logging with what appears to be a crowd-sourced database (with over 100 chicken breast options, none of which agree on nutrients or satiety score). It feels like myfitnesspal in the crowd-sourcing days but without the ease-of-use features. It also has a chatbot, which might be pretty well-trained on nutrition (the chatbot had a sensible understanding of chicken breast nutrients which did not match any of the data in the food database). I asked the chatbot why my protein level was so much lower than the P:E Diet recommendations, and it told me that 98g is the typical recommendation for an average height male. If I wanted to follow a specific diet, I should work with a dietician or nutritionist to determine appropriate macros. There does not appear to be any way to adjust anything in the app (which knows I am female, along with my height and weight and goals). The chatbot does not appear to know anything about the app itself. It provides generic suggestions when you ask for help, then responds “What a pickle you are in!” when its generic suggestions don’t apply. Not my sense of humor, but that could just be from the large language model they use (I would have preferred a straightforward “Sorry, I am designed to provide nutritional expertise, not application support.”).

I like Andreas. I have supported DietDoctor for many years. I hope this shapes into something useful for someone. For now, based on what I can figure out, you aren’t missing anything!

I had noticed that Marty doesn’t think we should increase protein…rather that protein % should go up by reducing everything else? I guess I don’t get the notion that we should be more satisfied by just eating less!

I am hopeful others will jump in with some secret to making hava more useful. In the meantime, I am providing feedback to the app.

Oh Darn, an invite to hear Dr Naiman Live … in Stockholm..in January.
Maybe next year

So HAVA will be LiveStreaming this event. I’ll watch from my toasty living room with the fire on.

Good presentation. The big announcement other than the satiety concepts we already know, is Photo Tracking, the use of AI with a phone photo of a plate of food, so that all ingredients in the right amounts are entered into the app for you. Currently I can track a photo, but then need to enter the whole recipe into Cronometer and sync it with Nutrient Optimiser. This is amazing improvement.

For an example, Dr Eenfeldt used a plate of Mexican carnitas, then AI identified the recipes and amounts from the web, to create a list of all ingredients, calculate the nutrients, calories, etc and give it a satiety score. It can "see" a cup of rice under the mixed beef and veg, how much corn or chilis, and add everything. Or take a photo of a restaurant meal, it finds the recipes, amounts and automatically tracks all the food for you.

Clip about it: https://www.youtube.com/live/YT9FEy...LSrcwhMbd_XrGNb

That is wild! Let people understand their food. I see people on TikTok showing "what I eat healthy" and it's NOT.

Until the Photo Tracking is live, Marty Kendall is posting the Satiety Scores for his recipes compared to HAVA's. [On Twitter, I know, I Know it is a horrid place]
Today the LOWEST satietyrecipe in the ON database. BulletProof Coffee!


Dr Naiman's comment: "Satiety Per Calorie — the final dietary arbiter of truth — shall rise, like a phoenix, from the ashes of keto….Just as the prophecy foretold."

Kathy, aka KeyTones here, will also be adding her yummy recipes to the HAVA satiety scores, it’s not all meat and veg.

I hope Dr Naiman says this with a smile on his face and his tongue in his cheek. Anyone who believes that they have found the holy grail of dieting, the final absoute truth, is swimming in arrogance and is bound to be pushed off his pedestal eventually when the next god of healthy eating ascends the mountain.

Seeking after the truth is commendable. Believing that you have found it for all times, all places and all people is hubris.

Definitely tongue in cheek. He has said how wrong he was being a vegetarian for the first 25 years, then Atkins, Paleo, then Keto for a hot minute, until he decided to find their one unifying theory, and so far Protein:Energy is holding up. But should something better come along, he will promote it. It is so refreshing to hear a doctor say he was wrong multiple times in an interview, and willing to change.

Example of a complete Meal with an 81 HAVA satiety score:
Green Hulk Omelette.
I love the green Hulk Smoothie plus berries and forgot this version. Posted on X yesterday so I made the omelet with two added eggs for more nutrition, added the reminder of a bag of grilled chicken breast ( maybe was 6 oz.). I ate around 10 am and totally satiated for the day. Could not eat the salmon I had ready for dinner, had a yogurt with PP instead.
https://optimisingnutrition.com/gre...tte/#more-14700

The AI Photo Tracking is getting rave reviews. Take a photo of a pan of stir-fry, it picks out the ingredients, and even estimates the amount of oil used in the pan. You can adjust any amounts if needed and there are some meals with high satiety scores (in the 60s) that are spot on. KeyTones/Kathy has posted some great meals on Twitter these past few weeks, some at restaurants, with their Satiety Scores.

Dr Eenfeldt and Dr Naiman posted today:



Beautiful, slick infographics of high satiety foods! DietDoctor nails it. https://www.hava.co/science

My tip of the day. A 32 oz NF yogurt container froze solid because it was placed near the cold compressor outlet in the fridge. Appeared to have spoiled, little lumps of ice, swimming in whey. An Immersion Blender saved the day! Hard going but the yogurt is now super thick and satiating again. With added frozen mixed berries, it is like ice cream!

Low carb is a great place to start, but there is so much more to eating a nutrient dense diet to finally reach an ideal body weight.

"If you’re already low carb, you need to address the 70-80% of your body’s insulin production that is simply related to how much fat you’re carrying. Simply minimising carbs, while an important step, is missing the main game!"

The new Vegetable scoring introduction. [Fruit is in my journal today]
Dr. Eenfeldt writes on Twitter:



My favorites that were limited on "keto" are Tubers. Crunchy carrots [59] and the occasional baked potato [43] with a steak. If you replace baked pepperoni,nuts and cheese crisps with carrots, red pepper strips, cucumber, etc, you eliminate hundreds of calories of fat, and gain nutrient dense tasty crunch.

KeyTones (Kathy) continues to use HAVAs AI photo tracking. Her latest post about it with her awesome success photo. "Left, age 35. Right, age 59, at about half my former size! #thePEDiet, #satiety. Love the new Hava app guidance system with the amazing & easy AI food photo uploader (helped with taking off a bit of holiday weight &#128513"

I don't get it. Cauliflower is more satiating than a steak??? I'm not at all sated/satisfied eating veggies. They don't fill me up. Well, they do, for about 30 minutes and then I'm running on empty, whereas 8 oz of ground beef means I'm good for up to 6 hours.

Remember this is satiety per calorie.
8 oz of 80% lean ground beef is 576 calories, 37g fat, and 57g Protein.
80 oz (5 pounds!) of cauliflower is 522 calories, 10g fat, and 42g Protein.
But since unlikely to eat 5 pounds, even 8 oz of cauliflower is only 52 calories, with a full days RDA of Vitamin C, 4g Protein, and loads of other satiating vitamins and minerals.

True, but I'll stick with my meat, especially since veggies and fiber in general wreaks havoc with my digestion. But, you've done great on these plans, which is great!