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Old Thu, Mar-19-20, 04:13
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important point is that we are seeing hospitalizations from age 20 on up. The perception is that one has to be above a certain age to be concerned, and that's not true.
The folks I follow on Twitter are discussing this. There's a legit theory that metabolic health is more important than age per se. Older people tend to be hit hardest because they tend to have the chronic diseases, but if you're 70 and in great health, you might be better off than your kids in their 40s and 50s with metabolic syndrome, etc. Example given is this family in which, tragically, the grandma passed on not knowing that her two oldest kids died before her.
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Old Thu, Mar-19-20, 05:05
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The folks I follow on Twitter are discussing this. There's a legit theory that metabolic health is more important than age per se. Older people tend to be hit hardest because they tend to have the chronic diseases, but if you're 70 and in great health, you might be better off than your kids in their 40s and 50s with metabolic syndrome, etc. Example given is this family in which, tragically, the grandma passed on not knowing that her two oldest kids died before her.


That's what I have been telling myself, no comorbidities, great metabolic health, almost never get sick so a tip top immune system. Although I fall into that "elderly" category I don't expect that I am in any more danger than people much younger than I am. Of course I could be kidding myself but I don't think so. This situation really underscores how important diet is to health, much beyond weight loss.
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Old Thu, Mar-19-20, 06:29
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Our local grocery, Tops, has instituted a 6-7:30 am Senior Hour to let the most vulnerable shop without crowds.


Who the heck goes shopping at that hour??? I'm 66 & a fairly early riser, but no way am I going into town in the wee hours. I'm going shopping today, but we're not planning on leaving the house until at least nine. That gives me a chance to be properly caffeinated.
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Old Thu, Mar-19-20, 06:58
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Las Vegas has gone dark. The casinos are closed for 30 days. Schools, of course, including my college, are also dark. No services like grooming for the dog. I haven't yet contacted my cleaner. Lines at all markets too long for me.

So I'm reporting on how to have fresh food and supplies delivered to the door. Of course, there's Amazon. Tick.
I placed a pick-up order with my local Vons on Tuesday which I can pick up outside the store on Sunday. That was the soonest.
Instacart is currently my best bet for delivery. By placing orders before anybody else got out of bed this morning (5am), I got Smart and Final and Sam's Club orders in, both scheduled for March 24th. Only time will tell me if these will really happen. Tune in.

We are both healthy in my house.
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Old Thu, Mar-19-20, 07:01
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Just been chatting with a neighbour (from 6' away). He was not bothered about the 6' even though he is over 70, because he is very fit (true) and a lifelong non-smoker, so he was not too worried about getting it as he is sure it would be mild for him. He also thought that as I am fit for a woman in my mid-sixties, I would be Ok.

Well, I maintained the 6' and said that whether the official advice was not enough or excessive, there was no harm in following it, and I did not want to get covid at all however well I might cope, because I know people who wouldn't cope if I passed it on to them.

Then he told me that one family in the village had a case and were self-isolating. We wished each other to stay safe.

The weather is lovely now so enjoying walking the back roads in the sunshine. Our very quiet district is even quieter now.

The regular population is stocking up on flour, dried yeast and pasta. I am stocking up on flaxseed, baking powder and stevia to make muffins.
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Old Thu, Mar-19-20, 09:19
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Hmmm, we have a number of confirmed cases of Covid in our county, and yesterday it was announced that a 70-year-old man isolated in our local hospital had just died from it! Definitely feeling real.

I have a friend whose son works at the local Publix and she texted me yesterday that if I needed anything to let her know and sheíd have her son pick it up for me. Iím pretty set though, with only a mild fear of running out of bacon and fizzy water. 😂

I was reading yesterday that folks with high blood pressure and diabetes tend to be the ones who do much worse and account for many of the fatalities. Apparently itís known that Covid works by binding to the ACE2 receptors in your lungs, and there are certain high BP meds (the ACE inhibitors) and certain diabetes meds (not sure which ones) which increase the number of ACE2 receptors in your body, giving the virus more things to latch on to!

Of course ACE inhibitors are one of the most commonly prescribed BP meds and also (maybe until now) the sort most recommended for Seniors.

Naturally the medical community tells people if you are on one of these sorts of meds donít dream of trying to stop it.

Iím enjoying my self-imposed exile other than missing the grandkids so terribly. Iím T2 diabetic and within the last year, after having normal BP all my life, began getting high numbers. My BG had gotten elevated too.

Luckily I have a doctor who is not a pill pusher and she agreed that I could have time to get those numbers under control with natural means. So I doubled down on LCHF but could not get either those numbers or my weight (as usual) to budge, so then I went strict keto and still could not get any of those numbers to budge. I was getting desperate as I didnít want meds.

Finally, less than two weeks ago, I went full-out Carnivore. And my weight, BP, and BG have been dropping steadily ever since.

Funny, if I had gone on BP meds I would have demanded an ACE inhibitor as I had read those were the sort best for Seniors and with least side effects. 😉

But as of now Iím not on any meds likely to increase my ACE2 receptors. Apparently ibuprofen increases ACE2 receptors also which is why they are saying not to take it. Itís the only OTC med that works for me for pain, and I wonít have acetaminophen in the house, so guess Iíll just tough it out if I develop any aches or pains.
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Old Thu, Mar-19-20, 09:58
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The last post made me check my meds! Metformin by itself is not a ACE inhibitor (so says google), but it doesn't play well when combined with drugs that are ACE inhibitors. Fortunately, my bp med is not. So - hopefully - I'm fine.
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Old Thu, Mar-19-20, 11:35
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Our local grocery, Tops, has instituted a 6-7:30 am Senior Hour to let the most vulnerable shop without crowds.

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Who the heck goes shopping at that hour??? I'm 66 & a fairly early riser, but no way am I going into town in the wee hours. I'm going shopping today, but we're not planning on leaving the house until at least nine. That gives me a chance to be properly caffeinated.



I'm also 66, just retired a few months ago from working as a self scan attendant at a grocery store, where I started my shift at 6:30am, and you'd be shocked at the sheer number of older customers we had at that hour. For that matter, since it was a 24 hour store, many of those older customers would come to the store every single day, and be done with their shopping, checkout, and heading out the door just as I walked in the store around 6:15-6:20am. There were also older customers who showed up later in the day of course, but the ones who were there so early were obviously habitual early risers who for many reasons preferred to get to the store very early.
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Old Thu, Mar-19-20, 11:53
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I'm one of those old people. I get up at 3:30am so that I can get my walking done before the heat (obviously in summer, but I keep it up all year.) There's less traffic early in the morning so less stress. Until this emergency, I was usually one of very few shoppers at my favorite stores, knew and talked with my cashiers. Now I can't get into the doors on opening, and in Las Vegas (so far) there are no special hours.
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Old Thu, Mar-19-20, 12:04
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The folks I follow on Twitter are discussing this. There's a legit theory that metabolic health is more important than age per se. Older people tend to be hit hardest because they tend to have the chronic diseases, but if you're 70 and in great health, you might be better off than your kids in their 40s and 50s with metabolic syndrome, etc. Example given is this family in which, tragically, the grandma passed on not knowing that her two oldest kids died before her.
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That's what I have been telling myself, no comorbidities, great metabolic health, almost never get sick so a tip top immune system. Although I fall into that "elderly" category I don't expect that I am in any more danger than people much younger than I am. Of course I could be kidding myself but I don't think so. This situation really underscores how important diet is to health, much beyond weight loss.



Ever since this started, I've been wondering if we would see a big difference in severity of illness/mortality rates between people who LC, as compared to those who eat SAD, or are vegans.



I've seen several times that obesity is considered to be one of the risk factors for a severe case, or death from covid-19, so that's an additional factor beyond age and a compromised immune system. But the only info I've seen that mentions any details about obesity as a risk factor says that having a BMI over 40 puts you into a high risk category, whereas you're considered obese when you hit a BMI of 30 - that's quite a weight difference. There's also the factor that having a BMI of 40 probably (but certainly not always) goes along with being diabetic, or at least having metabolic syndrome though.



We know they'll be taking the risk factor of age and other co-morbidities into account when tallying the statistics related to covid-19, but it'll be interesting to see if it'll even be noted what type of diet was followed by those who only developed a mild case, as compared to those who had a severe case.
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Old Thu, Mar-19-20, 12:34
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But the only info I've seen that mentions any details about obesity as a risk factor says that having a BMI over 40 puts you into a high risk category, whereas you're considered obese when you hit a BMI of 30 - that's quite a weight difference. There's also the factor that having a BMI of 40 probably (but certainly not always) goes along with being diabetic, or at least having metabolic syndrome though.
Another depressing statistic since, despite 14 years of low carbing (though stalled for 11 of those years) I still have a BMI over 40 and have been unable to shake it! I seem to be making a little progress since going Carnivore a little while ago. I hope it continues. 13 more pounds to get below the magic BMI 40 number. But I've flirted with that before and never been able to maintain that weight loss. My body seems to just adore that 270-280 range and constantly jumps up and remains there as soon as I relax my guard in the slightest.
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Old Thu, Mar-19-20, 13:36
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Another depressing statistic since, despite 14 years of low carbing (though stalled for 11 of those years) I still have a BMI over 40 and have been unable to shake it! I seem to be making a little progress since going Carnivore a little while ago. I hope it continues. 13 more pounds to get below the magic BMI 40 number. But I've flirted with that before and never been able to maintain that weight loss. My body seems to just adore that 270-280 range and constantly jumps up and remains there as soon as I relax my guard in the slightest.





Yes, they're saying that 40 BMI puts you in the danger zone in regards to this virus, BUT - and this is a big BUT to me - you've been eating LC for 14 years, and I have to hope that gives us an edge over those who have been eating SAD or vegan or LF/HC for the last decade or more.



Literally the only person I know who eats LF and manages to stay healthy most of the time ONLY avoids getting sick because she rarely ever leaves her home, has always avoided things like shaking hands or touching grocery carts (she even has a specially made grocery cart handle cover that she uses, just to avoid touching the cart), would never borrow a book from the library, because you never know what kind of germs it might have on it, has always been obsessive about hand washing, using hand sanitizer, staying away from sick people (to the point that she attempts to not breathe if she hears someone coughing 20 feet away)- basically all the things that we're being told to do now. So I doubt the low fat diet has had anything at all to do with her ability to stay well, especially since when she got together with her family over Christmas for a few hours, and ONE family member (who she pointedly avoided getting too close to) was sick that day, so she she ended up sick 2 days later, resulting in a pretty bad case of bronchitis for a few weeks.



By contrast, I have a BMI in the danger range, and yet I hardly ever get sick, and when I do, it's rarely anything that requires more than a little extra rest, even working in close contact with customers who often coughed right in my face over the course of 7-1/2 years, so I have to hope we have some resistance, just because of LC.
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Old Fri, Mar-20-20, 03:10
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FWIW, I have noticed a dramatic change in my own illness response since supplementing with D3/K2. Even struggling with autoimmune issues, my chances of catching something were smaller. When I did catch it, it was much less overt ugly symptoms, and much more just tiredness, with rest the best thing.

Right now I'm working at home, and also, working ahead. If I feel like I'm coming down with something, I'm going to take sick time so I can rest. It's an ironic side effect of the social distancing, shuttering of businesses, and so forth: everyone has time off. This might help people dodge the worst, personally.

But I cannot emphasize enough that the US Federal Government needs to come up with a plan to keep us all functioning in place, or the economy will fall down and can't get up. People without an income right now need help.
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Old Fri, Mar-20-20, 05:31
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One of my experimental forays into grocery delivery came to an end. I was supposed to pick up Sunday, and got this email:
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Due to unusually high order volume, we unable to fulfill your (Home Delivery or Drive Up & Go) order.

You may reorder and / or visit a nearby store.

We sincerely apologize for the cancellation.
One down. They don't want to make it easy on us old gals.
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Old Fri, Mar-20-20, 07:32
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My regular grocery store is open 24/7--usually. I don't mind showing up there at 6am. But so far, I haven't ventured out. The only thing we might run out of is flaxseed from the health food store. Should I make a run for it?? We'll see. We could always turn to bacon and eggs for breakfast.

Mixed messages appear daily in the news and newsfeeds. I believe--and encourage the belief--that our role as citizens of a caring community (wherever we are) is self-isolation, and other means of reducing possible transmission.

Please keep sharing those recipes and resources that make your life happier from day to day.
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