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Old Mon, Aug-26-19, 00:26
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25 August, 2019

How diabetes can increase cancer risk: DNA damaged by high blood sugar

For years, scientists have been trying to solve a medical mystery: Why do people with type 1 or type 2 diabetes have an increased risk of developing some forms of cancer? Today, researchers report a possible explanation for this double whammy. They found that DNA sustains more damage and gets fixed less often when blood sugar levels are high compared to when blood sugar is at a normal, healthy level, thereby increasing one's cancer risk.


The researchers will present their results at the American Chemical Society (ACS) Fall 2019 National Meeting & Exposition.

"It's been known for a long time that people with diabetes have as much as a 2.5-fold increased risk for certain cancers," says John Termini, Ph.D., who is presenting the work at the meeting. These cancers include ovarian, breast, kidney and others. "As the incidence of diabetes continues to rise, the cancer rate will likely increase, as well."

Scientists have suspected that the elevated cancer risk for diabetics arises from hormonal dysregulation. "In people with type 2 diabetes, their insulin is not effectively carrying glucose into cells," Termini explains. "So the pancreas makes more and more insulin, and they get what's called hyperinsulinemia." In addition to controlling blood glucose levels, the hormone insulin can stimulate cell growth, possibly leading to cancer. Also, most people with type 2 diabetes are overweight, and their excess fat tissue produces higher levels of adipokines than those at a healthy weight. These hormones promote chronic inflammation, which is linked to cancer. "The most common idea is that the increased cancer risk has to do with hormones," Termini says. "That's probably part of it, but there hasn't been a lot of solid evidence."

Termini, who is at City of Hope, a research and treatment center for cancer and diabetes, had a different idea. He wondered if the elevated blood glucose levels seen in diabetes could harm DNA, making the genome unstable, which could lead to cancer. So Termini and colleagues looked for a specific type of damage in the form of chemically modified DNA bases, known as adducts, in tissue culture and rodent models of diabetes. Indeed, they found a DNA adduct, called N2-(1-carboxyethyl)-2'-deoxyguanosine, or CEdG, that occurred more frequently in the diabetic models than in normal cells or mice. What's more, high glucose levels interfered with the cells' process for fixing it. "Exposure to high glucose levels leads to both DNA adducts and the suppression of their repair, which in combination could cause genome instability and cancer," Termini says.

Recently, Termini and colleagues completed a clinical study that measured the levels of CEdG, as well as its counterpart in RNA (CEG), in people with type 2 diabetes. As in mice, people with diabetes had significantly higher levels of both CEdG and CEG than people without the disease.

But the team didn't stop there. They wanted to determine the molecular reasons why the adducts weren't being fixed properly by the cells. They identified two proteins that appear to be involved: the transcription factor HIF1α and the signaling protein mTORC1, which both show less activity in diabetes. HIF1α activates several genes involved in the repair process. "We found that if we stabilize HIF1α in a high-glucose environment, we increase DNA repair and reduce DNA damage," Termini says. "And mTORC1 actually controls HIF1α, so if you stimulate mTORC1, you stimulate HIF1α."

According to Termini, several drugs that stimulate HIF1α or mTORC1 already exist. The researchers plan to see if these drugs decrease cancer risk in diabetic animal models, and if so, they will test them in humans. Termini notes that metformin, a common diabetes medication that helps lower blood glucose levels, also stimulates DNA repair. "We're looking at testing metformin in combination with drugs that specifically stabilize HIF1α or enhance mTORC1 signaling in diabetic animal models," he says. In the meantime, a more immediate way for diabetics to reduce their cancer risk could be better control of their blood sugar. "That sounds like such an easy solution, but it's extremely difficult for most people to maintain glycemic control," Termini says.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releas...90825075932.htm
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Old Mon, Aug-26-19, 07:45
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I read an article in Life Extension magazine many years ago, so I googled and found the US Library of Medicine National Institute Of Health article from 2011.

Read the whole article here at pubmed - the most trusted source I know of for published, peer-reviewed, scientific papers:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3001308/

It seems not eating sugar can extend your healthy life span.

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Now we know that the rate of ageing is indeed subject to regulation, by classical signalling pathways. These pathways link the ageing rate to environmental and physiological cues, and may even underlie its diversification during evolution. At the heart of these pathways are stress and metabolic sensors such as insulin and IGF-1 hormones, TOR kinase and AMP kinase, whose up- or downregulation can trigger a variety of cell-protective mechanisms that extend lifespan.

The first lifespan pathway to be discovered was the insulin/IGF-1/FOXO pathway. This pathway is evolutionarily conserved: mutations in many insulin and IGF-1-pathway genes extend the lifespan of mammals and several have been linked to human longevity. In particular, DNA variants in FOXO transcription-factor genes have been linked to exceptional longevity in human cohorts from around the world.


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This was Morris White, a world expert in insulin signalling, who later became my friend and went on to report that mouse mutations disrupting the insulin and IGF-1-pathway gene IRS2 extended lifespan


Anyway, in the Life Extension article which summarized this lengthy article Cynthia Kenyon (the author) was so sure that eliminating sugar/insulin will extend a healthy lifespan of humans that she quit all sugar except for one small square of 85% dark chocolate per day.

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As Yesurbius points out, not all dark chocolate is created with the lowest sugar content - even from the same company.

Lindt Excellence - 95% Chocolate 8-13-19

99% Cocoa Chocolate - Made for Atkins? 2-8-10
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On the one hand, we have a group seeking to produce a combination of medications to stimulate the production of HIF1α or mTORC1, on the other hand, people could simply stop ingesting sugar and glucose producing foods to achieve a similar effect? Using this valuable knowledge from the research, I already know which approach I prefer.
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I'm with you Rob.

IMHO if you can do it with diet, you are better off than doing it with medication. The proverbial ounce of prevention.
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All meds come with the risk of side effects. Meat doesn't.
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All meds come with the risk of side effects. Meat doesn't.

I agree but there are plenty of people out there - including doctors and scientists (and, of course, 99.99% of vegetarians and vegans) - who would argue vehemently with you.
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I'm with the meat, too. Interesting about mTOR:
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"We found that if we stabilize HIF1α in a high-glucose environment, we increase DNA repair and reduce DNA damage," Termini says. "And mTORC1 actually controls HIF1α, so if you stimulate mTORC1, you stimulate HIF1α."
Interesting because there's been a lot of previous talk from various doctors (Dr. Rosedale comes to mind for instance) about mTOR being something you don't want to stimulate to be healthy, live long, etc. After studying the best information I could find, including Dr. Ted Naiman and Professor Ben Bikman, I concluded mTOR was something I did want to stimulate for health benefits through sufficiently large amounts of dietary protein. This is the first thing I've seen specifically mentioning stimulating mTOR for diabetes-related benefit, not just avoidance of sarcopenia (muscle wasting with age).
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Rosedale's contentions regarding limiting protein always puzzled me. With Bikman's current and ongoing research along with Naiman's findings supporting the benefits of increased protein consumption while following a low carb or keto WOE, it made sense for me to make this adjustment.
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I'm with the meat, too. Interesting about mTOR: Interesting because there's been a lot of previous talk from various doctors (Dr. Rosedale comes to mind for instance) about mTOR being something you don't want to stimulate to be healthy, live long, etc. After studying the best information I could find, including Dr. Ted Naiman and Professor Ben Bikman, I concluded mTOR was something I did want to stimulate for health benefits through sufficiently large amounts of dietary protein. This is the first thing I've seen specifically mentioning stimulating mTOR for diabetes-related benefit, not just avoidance of sarcopenia (muscle wasting with age).


I started keto as a carnivore, and while I've added things around the edges as my experience evolves, MEAT AND LOTS OF IT is the rule when starting, because one's hunger has to adjust to it, and you are likely to need all these nutrients.

Now, if I'm doing one meal a day, I'll eat a whole pound of ground pork with a keto sauce and maybe a 1/4 cup of coleslaw spread on the top.

And I've never felt better: especially mentally.

Every. Single. Time. I attempted to rein in my protein intake I felt hungry, peckish, restless. I now think that my particular body gets not-much from vegetable protein sources.

I also seem to have a higher than average need for complete-proteins/certain-B-vitamins/neurotransmitters-in-general when it comes to my BRAIN. Stress burns up these nutritional elements like newspapers in a furnace, and I spent years struggling to figure this out when medicine was no help.

Thus, I found a collagen drink on sale:

https://www.iherb.com/search?kw=collagen%20lemonade

Stocked up, and look forward to taking this every day for a while to see what happens
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You have discovered so many good things about what is making you happy and healthy.
I agree that stress is a major user of B vitamins and meat is the best source of that along with amino acids and all of the other nutriments that are not in plants . After all, we're not rabbits.
I really had to change my thinking on all of this and went from having lots of veggies and with a big variety to lots of meat with a small amount of veggies. I'm doing much better too!

The most interesting thing I've learned is that meat is 100% digested from the time it hits our stomach and plants bypass all of the stomach and small intestines and go straight to the colon. Even when it gets there, if it's not cooked the cells don't break open so the nutrients aren't absorbed.

I'm interested to see what the Collagen does and if it helps you feel even better.
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I'm interested to see what the Collagen does and if it helps you feel even better.


Me too! So many good things have been written about bone broth, but it's not my thing. This, is
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On the one hand, we have a group seeking to produce a combination of medications to stimulate the production of HIF1α or mTORC1, on the other hand, people could simply stop ingesting sugar and glucose producing foods to achieve a similar effect? Using this valuable knowledge from the research, I already know which approach I prefer.


I still remember my astonishment as a child, when I first realized that people were doing stupid things on purpose because someone, somewhere, was making lots of money from it.
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Me too! So many good things have been written about bone broth, but it's not my thing. This, is


Something I learned when researching histamines was that bone broth was high. Fresh meat is the lowest and as it ages it increases in histamines.
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I'm with the meat, too. Interesting about mTOR: Interesting because there's been a lot of previous talk from various doctors (Dr. Rosedale comes to mind for instance) about mTOR being something you don't want to stimulate to be healthy, live long, etc. After studying the best information I could find, including Dr. Ted Naiman and Professor Ben Bikman, I concluded mTOR was something I did want to stimulate for health benefits through sufficiently large amounts of dietary protein. This is the first thing I've seen specifically mentioning stimulating mTOR for diabetes-related benefit, not just avoidance of sarcopenia (muscle wasting with age).
I'm definitely in the 'get adequate protein' camp, more for older adults (certainly anyone over 50). From reading that I've done, I think this is crucial. I do also think there are benefits from fasting and autophagy (promoted by low mTOR). My conclusion from all that is that our natural way of eating is probably cyclical: There are times of feasting and there are lean times. There are probably natural cycles of this over a few days and over the seasons. Which also means that some days I want to eat a lot of protein and some days I eat nothing or virtually nothing.

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Every. Single. Time. I attempted to rein in my protein intake I felt hungry, peckish, restless. I now think that my particular body gets not-much from vegetable protein sources.

I also seem to have a higher than average need for complete-proteins/certain-B-vitamins/neurotransmitters-in-general when it comes to my BRAIN.
I'm with you. For me, it's not even about reining in my protein intake in general, but reining in my meat intake, especially red meat. I like to eat a wide variety of foods (not because I think I have to, but because I like to). But whenever I've gone a few days eating chicken, fish, and eggs, and then I eat a steak, I suddenly feel so much more satisfied. I also have a higher than average need for B-vitamins. I've assumed that this, combined with some of my neuro issues, are a good indicator I've got a MTHFR gene variant. Apparently, that interferes with B-vitamin uptake.
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