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Old Tue, Mar-12-19, 18:47
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Yes, it's disappointing that the majority of those chosen have been trained and/or worked in epidemiology and many have COI having been funded by or worked for food manufacturers. It's called hedging bets, and big food isn't going to allow a major change in health not being equated with their chemical concoctions. However, the point is that I'm wondering how this is different. Yes, having a balanced committee relying on causation of good health by healthy eating supported by sound science rather than weak correlation would help develop an informed and nutritionally sound eating message for many, but I'm not holding my breath and figure that those of us who have had to make significant changes in our eating practices to achieve good health will continue to do the same. Grass roots will have to suffice to change the complex climate of health related to nutrition, as there is so much misinformation out there today that is widely reported and advertised as gospel, that it appears impractical to expect rapid change at this time.
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Next Step!

Great letter to Sonny Purdue. Copy, write your own, whatever but let them know we want better guidelines.

I wrote to him a month or so ago, and actually got a response from him last week (well, most likely his office). It wasn't much more than a basic acknowledgement of receipt, but it was at least proof that somebody somewhere read what I had to say.

The next round of public feedback is now being sought. We're past the point of debating the makeup and appointment processes for the committee; now we're on to the main event, dealing with the issues with the guidelines themselves.

Comments can be submitted online at https://www.regulations.gov/documen...-2019-0001-0001. I've already submitted mine.
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Old Thu, May-09-19, 04:21
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Another great Op-Ed by Nina Teicholz in The Washington Post:

https://www.dietdoctor.com/teicholz...0-of-population


Her new talk at LC Denver was about the Dietary Guidelines and what we can do to going forward.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/teicholz...east-do-no-harm

Nutrition Coalition has a list of dates of the DGAC meetings, all are public, some open for public comment.
Most in DC, but one also in Houston.

How to get involved. At the minimum, easy to send an email.

https://www.nutritioncoalition.us/n...to-get-involved
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Old Fri, Nov-01-19, 12:30
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Bumping this since the latest round of opportunity for public comments closes next week:

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The Advisory Committee that will help shape the 2020 Dietary Guidelines for Americans (DGA) needs your input. It is seeking public comment before November 7, and there are three key issues on which the low-carb community can add insight.

1. The Advisory Committee just announced that it plans to define a low-carbohydrate diet as diets where carbs contribute up 45% of energy. As you know, we would define low-carb diets at much lower levels. Less than 25% is a common standard, and of course percentages go much lower for very low-carb or ketogenic options. (100 grams per day is commonly used as the upper-limit for low-carb, which is 25% of energy in a 1,600 kcal diet.) The upper limit of 45% of energy proposed by the Advisory Committee is almost double this “liberal low-carb” standard. Including studies of diets with 45% carbohydrate in the mix will dilute the data and likely mask the efficacy of true low-carb diets.

2. The USDA may choose to eliminate all studies that do not disclose the food and beverages consumed during the experiment. Since many low-carb studies focus on macronutrient percentages rather than precise descriptions of meals, it is likely that this decision would eliminate many high-quality low-carb studies.

3. In addition, we learned some months back that the USDA is unlikely to consider research done on populations with diabetes or other diagnosed diseases, arguing that the guidelines are for “healthy populations” and thus it would be inappropriate to include studies performed on subjects with disease. Unfortunately, this excludes studies that would show the power of low-carb to reverse diabetes, which could shed light on the best way to treat the burgeoning number of “healthy” Americans with prediabetes.

More details at https://www.dietdoctor.com/speak-up...tary-guidelines.
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Old Thu, Jan-16-20, 09:54
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Strong editorial this week from Dr. Mark Cucuzzella regarding DGA:

https://www.sunjournal.com/2020/01/..._eid=8ce2f807c8

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America’s top nutritionists are considering a new diet.

In recent years, researchers have proven that low-carb diets full of healthy fat and protein help people lose weight — plus prevent and even reverse disease. So for the first time ever, the experts who produce the federal “Dietary Guidelines for Americans” — which influence everything from school lunches to military rations — are reviewing the option of including a low-carb diet pattern.

Unfortunately, their supposedly “low-carb” diet will likely derive a whopping 45 percent of its calories from carbohydrates. That’s simply not low-carb. The federal government’s gaslighting isn’t merely dishonest; it could endanger the health of millions of Americans.

For decades, the government has urged people to consume most of their calories from breads, pastas, rice and other carbohydrate-laden foods. Consider the infamous “food pyramid” released by the federal government back in 1992. That diagram recommended 6 to 11 daily servings of grains. While that has since been reduced, the guidelines still recommend getting more than half one’s calories from carbs.
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If the committee moves forward with its potential “low-carb” definition in the upcoming 2020 guidelines, it will be a grave misstep. Labeling a diet that derives nearly half its calories from carbohydrates as “low-carb” is not only unscientific, it’s dangerous. Folks who follow this recommendation won’t see any of the benefits of a true low-carb lifestyle. Their health will continue to deteriorate — and they’ll dismiss “low-carb” diets as ineffective.

He makes an excellent point that the distortion of what really constitutes a low carb diet causes "nutrition experts" and others to react negatively with claims that it's ineffective, not sustainable, and plant-based options are preferable. Of course it's not sustainable, as the amount of carbs currently being recommended turn it into SAD with the accompanied cravings to eat and a feeling of lack of willpower riding along. Demoralizing for many who could benefit but lack the correct information to start.
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Old Thu, Jan-16-20, 12:10
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Two phrases come to mind:

Regulatory Capture - is a corruption of authority that occurs when a political entity, policymaker, or regulatory agency is co-opted to serve the commercial, ideological, or political interests of a minor constituency, such as a particular geographic area, industry, profession, or ideological group

Controlled Opposition - “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.” Vladimir Lenin. So they now own the low carb idea and it is 45% carbs. Similar to that study a while back that had it at 40% and concluded it did not work.

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Default Low Carb Public Comments at Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee Meeting: Jan 2020

Wow, this is a must-watch. So many great quotes.

YouTube link from LowCarbUSA.

Dr Jonathan Clinthorne from Atkins Nutritionals
Dr Chris Palmer
Tony Martinez (attorney, candidate for NY senate, heart attack survivor and LC advocate)
Amy Eiges
Dr Darren Schmidt
Larry Diamond
Dr Ted Eytana - Nutrition Coalition
Dr Anthony Gustin - Sports medicine specialist
Dr Nadir Ali, cardiologist (I think... they cut off his intro)
Doug Reynolds from LowCarbUSA
Dr Molly McAdams - food scientist and cattle rancher

A lot of these folks have been guests on the LowCarbMDPodcast .

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Old Sat, Jan-25-20, 23:33
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Wow, this is a must-watch. So many great quotes.

YouTube link from LowCarbUSA.

Dr Jonathan Clinthorne from Atkins Nutritionals
Dr Chris Palmer
Tony Martinez (attorney, candidate for NY senate, heart attack survivor and LC advocate)
Amy Eiges
Dr Darren Schmidt
Larry Diamond
Dr Ted Eytana - Nutrition Coalition
Dr Anthony Gustin - Sports medicine specialist
Dr Nadir Ali, cardiologist (I think... they cut off his intro)
Doug Reynolds from LowCarbUSA
Dr Molly McAdams - food scientist and cattle rancher

A lot of these folks have been guests on the LowCarbMDPodcast .

Excellent, thanks. Very grateful that these people were heard at this conference.
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Calianna
Thanks for the insight into how the USDA controls farmers
In the same way, the Guidelines control any and all businesses that are designed for weight loss
Food manufacturers are also limited to the USDA guidelines
It's subtle and unreported, but BIG BROTHER remains in control
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Calianna
Thanks for the insight into how the USDA controls farmers
In the same way, the Guidelines control any and all businesses that are designed for weight loss
Food manufacturers are also limited to the USDA guidelines
It's subtle and unreported, but BIG BROTHER remains in control



I just read the other day that 80-some percent of the farm production in this country comes from family owned farms (not just the number of farms, the total amount of food produced) - just like my family's farm. I don't know if that's an accurate figure (it was just a meme I saw, so who knows where they got the figure, or if they just made it up), but even if it's closer to 50%, the point is that we have a few mega-farm/factory farm owners controlling what the USDA and other gov't agencies related to food access do and allow - the factory farm corporations just happen to have a much greater influence with the gov't agencies than the vast majority of farmers.

As was shown in another post, we have only a few companies controlling almost all products which are found on the store shelves (and the ingredients used in them). International companies own many grocery chains in the US. The local family owned stores simply can't compete on shelf prices, because an individual store can't sell anywhere near enough to negotiate the wholesale price-breaks that a large chain of stores can obtain.

Just in the past year in our primarily rural county alone, 5 formerly very successful family owned stores owned by 3 separate families (two had multiple locations) have closed, and sold out their stores to the same international grocery corporation. They already had a lot of locations in the county, but those retail site purchases mean this particular international company now owns more than half of the grocery stores in the county where I live.

We still have a few family owned stores around here - but for how long, before they give up trying to compete and sell out too? There's one family owned grocer just a mile up the road that's trying to get variances to build a residential/retail/restaurant complex on property they already own. The locality is so far denying the variances (mostly has to do with traffic concerns). My belief is that if they don't get the necessary variances and permits, their store will be the next to close and most likely be taken over by the same international grocer that already controls so many locations around here.

Not only is the family farm being squeezed out by corporate mega farms, the same thing is happening with family owned retail locations, and with it, further limiting our access to locally produced food choices.

/end rant
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Old Sun, Jan-26-20, 11:40
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For anyone with about 12 hours to kill, the full length sessions from this latest DGAC meeting (the fourth of five planned) are all on YouTube as follows:

Day 1, morning session
Day 1, afternoon session
Day 2, morning session
Day 2, afternoon session

I've only sat through the first two so far, but the standout moment for me was about midway through the first afternoon session when they proposed what foods were to be included in what food groups. Apparently, fruit juice counts as fruit, the vegetables in burgers and sandwiches count as vegetables, and cereals and muesli bars count as whole grains...
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Old Sun, Jan-26-20, 12:43
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Shared in my other LC life: Amy Eiges gave testimony (one on the list Kristine posted above) about her history of following the DGs and doctor's advice with the typical results we all know. Very articulate, her summary of her health story is moving and a plea for something better.

Amy Eiges: Testimony on need for low-carb option in Guidelines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arP...Pwhu-TVo4m0laIA

Appears she is assisting at Dr. Tro's new weight loss practice and will be certified as a Health Coach.
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