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Old Sun, Apr-12-15, 08:34
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So what happened to their fat tolerance? Regulation of blood glucose is not insulin's only function. Also, a person can be hyperinsulinemic, but with normal blood glucose levels--insulin sensitivity might be improved on the higher carbohydrate approach, but that isn't to say that insulin sensitivity is normalized. Too much carbohydrate plus normal blood glucose plus elevated insulin is better than too much carbohydrate plus elevated blood glucose plus elevated insulin--but lower carbohydrate plus normal blood glucose plus normal insulin is better still.

There's no such thing as falsely lowered glucose and insulin. It's lowered or it ain't.


This is what happens to fat tolerance. This FMD study also rebuts the single high fat meal studies he cites. Giving a bolus of fat to people who aren't fat-adapted is probably much the same as giving an OGTT to a low carber.



http://www.nmsociety.org/docs/LowCa...arbvascular.pdf
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I came across something like this a while ago but the flaw in the thinking was the simple fact that it did not take into consideration the impact of higher carbs and lower fat. I can't remember if it was a book or some research but the problem was that people were eating more meat and fat but also with high carbs. High carbs were the problem. When you have all the extra carbs and most especially the really wicked ones that are processed to high hell, you create a host of problems. The meat and fat at that point does become a contributor, IIRC but only because the carbs are the real issue. If you lower the carbs to a LC lifestyle, you will change it so that meat isn't a problem.

I only scanned over all this first post (a bit of induction fog today) but I did not see anything regarding carbs - whether carb amounts and the kind of carbs were even looked at which to be is highly problematic. The surge of diabetes in this country over the last half century happened at the height of mass food production creating more and more highly processed foods, most of which where they removed various more natural forms of fat and replaced them with more processed garbage. Add even a small portion of that into one's diet and you're already headed off the rails.

In my statistics courses in college my very wise and amazing professor always said that you can make the statistics look like whatever you want. There is no way that statistics will ever tell the whole truth when the person doing them has a hypothesis they want to prove. They can change the margin of error and or make the data less random, they can make the study smaller or focus it where they suspect they will get the answer they want. This is true for all of these studies as well. Whatever you want to find you can and will if you go digging for it. It's just a shame that too often the larger part of society gets trapped in the middle of this nonsense where they end up believing something that is essentially a work of fiction or clever manipulation of the data and facts.
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