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Old Mon, Apr-13-15, 22:46
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Plan: General Low Carb
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Progress: 64%
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Unfortunately, it is not easy to change the traditional mindset in the diabetes community but there are many more doctors and nutritionists recommending true low carb (vs the ADA's diet which some consider low carb) with avoidance of starches.


The last time I was doing low carb (before being diagnosed diabetic) my sweetie decided that we needed to talk to a "professional". We had a phone consult with the VA nutritionist. She was VEHEMENTLY against low carb; and made it very plain that it was not something that my hunny should ever think about doing and that I really should rethink my decision. I was just shaking my head the whole time.

I was so glad that my doctor gave me permission to go LC and that James was with me at the appointment where I got that permission.
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Old Tue, Apr-14-15, 10:13
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Plan: vLC/GF,CF,SF
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Big Pharma is making the ADA keep people diabetic...
and make them more diabetic, needing more Big Pharma, and keeping all those conventional diabetes doctors and nutritionists in business for life.
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Old Tue, Apr-14-15, 10:19
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Plan: Atkins DANDR
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I wonder what sorts of kickbacks those doctors get from big pharma? Trips, cash, prizes etc...
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Old Tue, Apr-14-15, 10:27
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Plan: vLC/GF,CF,SF
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I wonder what sorts of kickbacks those doctors get from big pharma? Trips, cash, prizes etc...
Trips, cash, free fancy meals and most important, ego massaging. I think it was Jason who mentioned in the diabetes summit that if you believe T2 diabetes is a chronic, ever-worsening condition, then you are your patients' saviour or their only hope. But if T2 diabetes is reversible by diet alone, your patients don't need you.
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Old Fri, Apr-17-15, 12:53
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For what it's worth: I just started Akins 1972. I'm not diabetic, but I have a glucometer, which I bought a couple of years ago to satisfy my curiosity. Before I started Atkins, my morning fasting blood sugar was around 100-105. Within TWO DAYS of starting Atkins, it went down to the 90s and now is in the upper 80s. If I had been diabetic, that 15-20 point drop might have been all that was necessary to solve the problem. This is something that Dr. Richard Feinman has emphasized over the years -- try low carb first.
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Old Sat, Apr-18-15, 03:22
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Plan: P:E/DDF
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Welcome Kinura,
Amazing, isn't it? You probably have this recent review of all the studies showing low carb should be first line of treatment, Feinman was one of the authors, with 20 others.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...899900714003323 it made barely a ripple and certainly not at the ADA.
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Old Sun, Apr-19-15, 14:31
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Welcome Kinura,
Amazing, isn't it? You probably have this recent review of all the studies showing low carb should be first line of treatment, Feinman was one of the authors, with 20 others.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...899900714003323 it made barely a ripple and certainly not at the ADA.


Thanks. I hadn't seen that one.
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Old Sun, May-31-15, 11:19
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Plan: Atkins, Newcastle
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OMG... That's just insanity, right there!

Thanks for the link. It was a very interesting read! I think she's right, Big Pharma is making the ADA keep people diabetic... So sad.


Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
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Old Mon, Jun-01-15, 04:32
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Plan: General Low Carb
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Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.


I don't think that it's ignorance on the part of the drug companies - or on the part of the ADA. I think they know exactly what they're doing. And if killing people to make a dollar isn't malicious, then I don't know what is.
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Old Mon, Jun-01-15, 07:37
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They have a business to protect, both the doctors and pharma. The ADA has a precisely defined diabetic "diet" that fosters lifelong dependency of patients who are on the path to a slow death. But, hey, when you have prescriptions that reduce symptoms enabling you to eat the food you have always enjoyed, what kind of life would you have otherwise???
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Old Mon, Sep-21-15, 13:57
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Big Pharma isn't invested in finding a cure for Type 2 because we make em money. The dietary guidelines followed rubbish research by Ancel Keys and governments don't want to reverse the advice and leave themselves open to class actions.
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Old Fri, Jan-29-16, 14:35
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Plan: HFLC/IF
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I was recently "officially" diagnosed with diabetes. (I've suspected for some time.)

Anyhoo, I got the okay from my doctor to do low-carb, as long as I don't do zero carbs.

He suggested that I meet with the Nutritionist. I explained to her what I was doing - replacing carbs with fat (and yes, I understand about protein poisoning and I would like to avoid getting that) and she surprised me by saying that she wasn't completely against the idea.

I explained to her that the ADA is killing my brother-in-law, whose diabetes is completely out of control and he's starting to have serious consequences (neuropathy and kidney problems). She said that the recommendation is 30-40 grams of carbs PER MEAL! Of healthy whole grains, of course.

I told her that there was no way that I was going to do that, watching a family member dying from it.

She gave me one of those booklets from the ADA. Yeah... It's just mind-blowing to me that these people can't see that eating carbs has a negative impact on the amount of sugar in a person's blood.


It's mind blowing to me that she would give you that brochure after you told her about your bil. How insensitive can you be?
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Old Sat, Jan-30-16, 08:42
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Plan: General Low Carb
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It's mind blowing to me that she would give you that brochure after you told her about your bil. How insensitive can you be?


They have to push their agenda, no matter what, I guess.
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Old Sat, Jan-30-16, 09:34
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Plan: HFLC/IF
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Well, my body says it works great. My sugar numbers have improved and I lost five pounds since last night. haha
It won't surprise me if I bounce up a bit by tomorrow morning but as of last night, I had lost three since Wednesday. That's a respectable number in anyone's book.
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Old Sat, Jan-30-16, 13:20
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Plan: LC Mediteranian, Dr. Fung
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A while back I created an account on http://patient.info/forums over in the UK. First to learn more about diabetes. Then I had to respond to some of these poor souls desperately looking for answers. These were questions with simple answers but the brits would have none of it. The socialized medicine over there is tightly controlled, along the party propaganda lines, and it looks to me that healthcare is rationed and withheld.

The person I responded to, gill70346,
http://patient.info/forums/discuss/...orrying--492729
had reported the following numbers to his GP and was told not to worry and stop testing BG at home. The GP refused the request to see a diabetes specialist or even to listen to any concerns.
Here are the numbers converted from UK to US glucose readings.
30.7 mmol/l = 547 mg/dl
16.2 mmol/l = 291 mg/dl
14.4 mmol/l = 259 mg/dl

After I posted about my success, how I did it and suggested diet and exercise others were showing support. There were people actually doing IF. Then my account, all my posts and other people's posts were deleted by the moderator. You can see this at the end gill's forum.

In the UK the degree that freedom of speech and sharing helpful information is quashed is mind numbing. Compared to what we have here there is no comparison. If you read other posts in the diabetes group, you can see how much people are suffering, it's awful.
If you do happen to share info tread lightly. Some posters talk about diet and exercise and are still there. I think they're still there because the don't utter the forbidden words "IF', "LCHF", Dr. Fung or Dr. Berstein. It's really sad how much these people are suffering when there's a simple solution and it's purposefully withheld from them.
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