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Old Wed, Sep-10-14, 12:55
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Post Hooray! Science says we can retrain the brain to like healthy low-fat food

http://www.alternet.org/food/hooray...nt-healthy-food

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Hooray! Science Says It’s Possible to Retrain the Brain to Want Healthy Food

Researchers were able to reverse the addictive power of unhealthy food in small pilot study.

Great news for those who have a sweet tooth that makes their mouth water for all the wrong foods! Scientists say it may be possible to re-educate the brain to prefer healthy low-fat food over unhealthy high-calorie choices, IFL Science reported.

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“We don’t start out in life loving French fries and hating, for example, whole wheat pasta,” co-author Susan Roberts said. “This conditioning happens over time in response to eating – repeatedly – what is out there in the toxic food environment.”
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Horray! Brainwashing Says It’s Possible to Retrain the Brain to like so called Healthy Food

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They could come up with a much larger population sample just by coming here. Thirteen people? What kind of results can be claimed from that?? This is a silly headline grabber.

Of course the reward centers of the brain can be reprogrammed. One way is through satiety, palatability, and sustainability through LCHF.

We could tell these researchers a thing or two, couldn't we, about keeping addictions under control, among other things.

However, that "reprogramming" lasts about two seconds after the cookie, the birthday, cake, the pizza, the ice cream, or the potato chip binge occurs.

Sorry.
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A friend of mine detested cilantro and he decided he would learn to like it. He took little bits of it at a time and yes, eventually he learned to like it.
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A friend of mine detested cilantro and he decided he would learn to like it. He took little bits of it at a time and yes, eventually he learned to like it.


your post reminded me of this:


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April 14, 2010
THE CURIOUS COOK
Cilantro Haters, It’s Not Your Fault

By HAROLD McGEE
FOOD partisanship doesn’t usually reach the same heights of animosity as the political variety, except in the case of the anti-cilantro party. The green parts of the plant that gives us coriander seeds seem to inspire a primal revulsion among an outspoken minority of eaters.

Culinary sophistication is no guarantee of immunity from cilantrophobia. In a television interview in 2002, Larry King asked Julia Child which foods she hated. She responded: “Cilantro and arugula I don’t like at all. They’re both green herbs, they have kind of a dead taste to me.”

“So you would never order it?” Mr. King asked.

“Never,” she responded. “I would pick it out if I saw it and throw it on the floor.”

Ms. Child had plenty of company for her feelings about cilantro (arugula seems to be less offensive). The authoritative Oxford Companion to Food notes that the word “coriander” is said to derive from the Greek word for bedbug, that cilantro aroma “has been compared with the smell of bug-infested bedclothes” and that “Europeans often have difficulty in overcoming their initial aversion to this smell.” There’s an “I Hate Cilantro” Facebook page with hundreds of fans and an I Hate Cilantro blog.

Yet cilantro is happily consumed by many millions of people around the world, particularly in Asia and Latin America. The Portuguese put fistfuls into soups. What is it about cilantro that makes it so unpleasant for people in cultures that don’t much use it?

Some people may be genetically predisposed to dislike cilantro, according to often-cited studies by Charles J. Wysocki of the Monell Chemical Senses Center in Philadelphia. But cilantrophobe genetics remain little known and aren’t under systematic investigation. Meanwhile, history, chemistry and neurology have been adding some valuable pieces to the puzzle.

The coriander plant is native to the eastern Mediterranean, and European cooks used both seeds and leaves well into medieval times.

Helen Leach, an anthropologist at the University of Otago in New Zealand, has traced unflattering remarks about cilantro flavor and the bug etymology — not endorsed by modern dictionaries — back to English garden books and French farming books from around 1600, when medieval dishes had fallen out of fashion. She suggests that cilantro was disparaged as part of a general effort to define the new European table against the flavors of the old.

Modern cilantrophobes tend to describe the offending flavor as soapy rather than buggy. I don’t hate cilantro, but it does sometimes remind me of hand lotion. Each of these associations turns out to make good chemical sense.

Flavor chemists have found that cilantro aroma is created by a half-dozen or so substances, and most of these are modified fragments of fat molecules called aldehydes. The same or similar aldehydes are also found in soaps and lotions and the bug family of insects.

Soaps are made by fragmenting fat molecules with strongly alkaline lye or its equivalent, and aldehydes are a byproduct of this process, as they are when oxygen in the air attacks the fats and oils in cosmetics. And many bugs make strong-smelling, aldehyde-rich body fluids to attract or repel other creatures.

The published studies of cilantro aroma describe individual aldehydes as having both cilantrolike and soapy qualities. Several flavor chemists told me in e-mail messages that they smell a soapy note in the whole herb as well, but still find its aroma fresh and pleasant.

So the cilantro aldehydes are olfactory Jekyll-and-Hydes. Why is it only the evil, soapy side that shows up for cilantrophobes, and not the charming one?

I posed this question to Jay Gottfried, a neuroscientist at Northwestern University who studies how the brain perceives smells.

Dr. Gottfried turned out to be a former cilantrophobe who could speak from personal experience. He said that the great cilantro split probably reflects the primal importance of smell and taste to survival, and the brain’s constant updating of its database of experiences.

The senses of smell and taste evolved to evoke strong emotions, he explained, because they were critical to finding food and mates and avoiding poisons and predators. When we taste a food, the brain searches its memory to find a pattern from past experience that the flavor belongs to. Then it uses that pattern to create a perception of flavor, including an evaluation of its desirability.

If the flavor doesn’t fit a familiar food experience, and instead fits into a pattern that involves chemical cleaning agents and dirt, or crawly insects, then the brain highlights the mismatch and the potential threat to our safety. We react strongly and throw the offending ingredient on the floor where it belongs.

“When your brain detects a potential threat, it narrows your attention,” Dr. Gottfried told me in a telephone conversation. “You don’t need to know that a dangerous food has a hint of asparagus and sorrel to it. You just get it away from your mouth.”

But he explained that every new experience causes the brain to update and enlarge its set of patterns, and this can lead to a shift in how we perceive a food.

“I didn’t like cilantro to begin with,” he said. “But I love food, and I ate all kinds of things, and I kept encountering it. My brain must have developed new patterns for cilantro flavor from those experiences, which included pleasure from the other flavors and the sharing with friends and family. That’s how people in cilantro-eating countries experience it every day.”

“So I began to like cilantro,” he said. “It can still remind me of soap, but it’s not threatening anymore, so that association fades into the background, and I enjoy its other qualities. On the other hand, if I ate cilantro once and never willingly let it pass my lips again, there wouldn’t have been a chance to reshape that perception.”

Cilantro itself can be reshaped to make it easier to take. A Japanese study published in January suggested that crushing the leaves will give leaf enzymes the chance to gradually convert the aldehydes into other substances with no aroma.

Sure enough, I’ve found cilantro pestos to be lotion-free and surprisingly mild. They actually have deeper roots in the Mediterranean than the basil version, and can be delicious on pasta and breads and meats. If you’re looking to work on your cilantro patterns, pesto might be the place to start.


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A friend of mine detested cilantro and he decided he would learn to like it. He took little bits of it at a time and yes, eventually he learned to like it.

I one heard cilantro tastes like soap. Now every time I eat it, the thought of soap comes to mind.

Maybe I just did it to you!
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I used to hate broccoli. I mean really hated it. And it was allegedly such a healthy food. I even tried to hypnotize myself into liking it.

A few years later I ended up living with a friend for six months. She was asian and she made stir-fried broccoli and rice EVERY NIGHT, and a small bit of something else. I would never be so rude as to refuse her food given living with her was a favor to me, so I ate a little bit of broccoli every night.

Six months later, broccoli stir-fried was a pretty awesome food as far as I was concerned.

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I currently (on good days) take a DIY version of liposomal vitamin C -- it's more emulsified than liposomal, but a little of both. The taste of the sunflower lecithin seemed to be the most vile thing in the world. I didn't know how I could ever, ever ingest the stuff voluntarily. Not even with a huge drink of something powerful before and after. Not even just a couple swallows of the vile stuff.

I talked to my subconscious, god, my body, and all other elements of my possible and probable reality, and begged for it to taste better to me.

At this point, I still don't like it, but it's no big deal. I can't believe how much I've improved my ability to ingest it without literally shuddering and gasping. I think it might just be a matter of conditioning. Still working on it...

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You know the original article quote was:
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“We don’t start out in life loving French fries and hating, for example, whole wheat pasta,” co-author Susan Roberts said.

What a ridiculous comparison. That's like saying that people naturally love fruit-loops and hate cheerios. Actually I think nearly anybody eating 'whole wheat pasta' who likes pasta would like it just fine, even children. Pasta is the candy of bread.

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PJ - I had a similar experience but with cauliflower. I detested cauliflower because of an incident when I was very young. I could choke down broccoli, but I wasn't happy with it. Then my mother discovered the magic of cheese. She steamed the cauliflower and melted cheese all over it. She offered me some once when I was visiting. I turned it down. She swore it tasted altogether different with cheese. So I tried it. And she was right! Tho for a long time the only way I would eat cauliflower and broccoli was with cheese.

But I still won't eat cilantro.
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Heh. We call cilantro coriander over here. Or down here. But I still won't eat it.

As for the original article, whole wheat pasta is healthy?
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As for the original article, whole wheat pasta is healthy?


I lean politically liberal on most issues except for a couple, one of them being meat. The lefty news websites I frequent (like the one w/ this article) have been scrambling w/ damage control after that Tulane low-carb study, debunking its legitimacy and reaffirming a primarily plant-based diet.
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http://www.nature.com/nutd/journal/...utd201426a.html

That's the study. I had a comment, but the study obliterated it.

The study author has a diet book, that's the intervention used.
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I lean politically liberal on most issues except for a couple, one of them being meat. The lefty news websites I frequent (like the one w/ this article) have been scrambling w/ damage control after that Tulane low-carb study, debunking its legitimacy and reaffirming a primarily plant-based diet.

Eating meat is not a partisan issue, IMHO.

I have an ultra-conservative brother who is a vegan. Granted, that is probably pretty unusual. Typically where you fall on the right/left has more to do with how open you are to different experiences (many other sources for this research if you don't like the one I linked), but eat meat ultimately has nothing to do with how you vote.
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As for the original article, whole wheat pasta is healthy?

LOL! That nasty tasting stuff is still poison, as far as I'm concerned! My mom always fed us whole wheat everything. Blech!
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So, what's measured? Response to images of food, not the food itself. Change in oxygen consumption or somesuch, suggestive that a part of the brain is becoming more active with a particular stimulus. What don't we know? State of activation? The intervention could raise the baseline activity--so less of an increase in response to the stimulus. Maybe dieting people spend more time fantasizing about naughty foods--and become resistant to the conjured image. Expose them to the food itself--the smells, the presence the actual opportunity to eat--then let me know what happens to reward centres in the brain, I'd like to know.

Four out of five people in the control group were women, four out of eight in the intervention. That's just silly.

Also, apparently dark chocolate is no longer considered a calorie-dense food... as well as frozen yogurt (not much different from ice cream), granola bars (basically a candy bar, sorry), walnuts (decent food, but not exactly low calorie, and I know when I'm weight-reduced without being ketogenic, a binge food for me like all nuts). A bran muffin is a type of cake...

I suspect my brain would light up differently to certain foods when I'm in ketosis. But I don't care. I directly experience how I respond to food when I'm eating a certain way, that's good enough for me. Not that I don't think these studies should be done--but the main measure of a diet's efficacy is still its efficacy.
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