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This passage caught my eye:



But of course:

Vegan propaganda alert. That's from the first sentence. Moron alert. That's from the second sentence. But don't take my word for it, read it yourself.

Was I right?

I'd really like to know how I would do the above. I mean, this is how I'd do it, but maybe I'm going to really hurt myself like this. First, I get some bacon grease and warm it up so it becomes a liquid that can be "poured" like the moron said. Then I get a kitchen knife cuz I'm just an "average American" like the moron said, and nobody should expect me to have access to any sort of medical apparatus like an IV drip or something. With that kitchen knife, I cut open one of my arteries, preferably a big one cuz I'm going to be pouring "100 pounds of animal fats" in there like the moron said. Then I take a turkey baster, which I fill with that hot liquid bacon grease, then insert it in that big artery I just cut open (never mind that it's now spurting blood all over my kitchen table), and pour. Is that how the average American does it or am I missing something here?

I like this part:

Mmmmm, animal fat.

yeah...ummm...I'm going to go eat my chicken and bacon salad with a couple of leaves in it and stir my roast beef cooking in bacon fat and chicken broth. And then feel terribly sorry for the author of that biased, hate-fest.

To be serious though, the meat industry is appalling in their abuses. Other than that, the author throwing the anti-meat-eater flavor just shoots his credibility straight to hades...

I love how focused it is on meat, instead meat ALONG WITH processed, sugar laden, chemical filled junk which typically makes up the average American's diet. Those being consumed at the same time has absolutely nothing to do with it right?

Evil meat is to blame!

I wonder what role bad vegetable oil, gluten, and additives, for example, play into the secondary bile acid formation.

Quack. Pure and simple.

Someone posted that article to G+ and I just had to reply:

I thought I heard heads exploding!

Is there any legitimacy to that "secondary bile acids" carcinogen claim? The wikipedia article on it seems wishy-washy.

It's the first I heard about secondary bile acids. The way I understand, bile emulsifies fats, and it is then recycled into more bile, sometimes several times for the same meal. Since the primary role of bile is to emulsify fats, and meat contains fats, it's unlikely that meat and/or fat will do anything bad to bile at any point. What's more likely is that non-food will interact with bile to form even more non-food'ish stuff.

I just read the Wiki stuff (24,25,26 on the bile acid page) and I find exactly zero evidence to support the hypothesis. If meat and fat was so bad, then the evidence should be obvious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bile_acid

The most famous link of bile acids and cancer is with colorectal cancer. Dean Ornish likes a very high carbohydrate, high fiber, plant based diet. One reason he likes it is the idea that a high fiber diet will cause a great loss of bile cholesterol in the stool. (He also likes the idea of lowering sex hormones--specifically testosterone, I remember reading--that can also be lost in the stool). Which sort of suggests more of the bile--whether primary or secondary--making its way through the colon. Not that I'd want to make too much of that.

Research in this area goes like this

1)notice a correlation in human epidemiology that's too weak to mean anything.
2)design a mouse that gets atherosclerosis when fed cholesterol, or colon cancer when fed beef, or Alzheimer's when fed butter.
3)study the mouse you designed, figure out the ins-and-outs--the mechanisms by which this mouse, that you bred/genetically modified to get sick when fed animal products, gets sick. Each time you uncover a mechanism, notify the idiot press--which will immediately release a story shouting to the world that the precise mechanism by which red meat causes colorectal cancer etc., has been pinpointed.

Not that this kind of research doesn't get results. Look at leptin. They bred various leptin deficient mice to use as a model for human obesity, before they even knew what leptin was. This led to the discovery of leptin. It didn't lead to the discovery of the cause of human obesity, in most cases. But leptin is nice to know about.

Why would he want to reduce testosterone?

I do recall that a high-fiber, high-carb diet was part of the goal for reducing sex drive by the old 'graham cracker' inventor and possibly corn flakes (not sure on the latter), apparently this works.

But it seems to me that anything that reduces sex drive tends to reduce health, are they not at least correlated?

PJ

http://www.sciencedaily.com/release...10419121353.htm




Dr. Ornish was worried about sex-specific cancers. No sex, no sex-specific cancers, I guess, at least that's what he was hoping.

How on earth do you pour animal fat into your arteries? My uncle use to be an alcoholic and was poisoned to the point where they had to do some "pump out all the bad blood and replace it" deal. Is that where they pump out your blood, mix it with beef lard and pump it back in? Will my HMO cover that?

Sylvester Graham - I thought of him, too. Certain foods were thought to "cool" the passions, while meat, milk, and spices "inflamed" passion. Kellogg, the inventor of corn flakes, believed that, too.

This was the conclusion of one study I turned up in my quick-and-dirty Google search on secondary bile acid. Environmental factors? Dietary habits? I should say so.

Funny how studies of indigenous African populations with "high fiber" diets are compared with American populations with western diets--as if nobody ever heard of Mickey D's French fries or burritos with refried beans and taco chips and the 64 oz soft drink.

High fat? Well, among other things!

Take your scientific mitts off my ribeye and back away.