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Old Mon, Jul-09-12, 07:50
Sagehill Sagehill is offline
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In that very recent video, Sears is not fat by any means, but he is well-fleshed... ie, he's not anorexic like the vegans. Funny how vegan call themselves "lean" and healthy when, really, they have an eating disorder... anorexia....

... like some teenaged girls.
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Old Mon, Jul-09-12, 11:57
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Glad you enjoyed it. I noticed that the link to the video of Barry Sears didn't work, but you can find plenty of videos of him on Youtube.. Here's the URL for the one I posted earlier:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6KDaLsLuaU

Yeah, it's pretty absurd that anyone would call that guy fat, I'm sure there are lots of folks that would love to be "fat" like Barry Sears! I guess the definition of obesity to the people is something like "the state of not being an emaciated vegan"
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Old Mon, Jul-09-12, 14:29
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I am not so comfortable with ''accusing'' the vegans of being anorexic.Anorexia is a serious illness, being a vegan is just a way of eating,as extreme as it may seem to us,but it is not an eating disorder in my opinion.
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Old Mon, Jul-09-12, 15:46
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I am not so comfortable with ''accusing'' the vegans of being anorexic.Anorexia is a serious illness, being a vegan is just a way of eating,as extreme as it may seem to us,but it is not an eating disorder in my opinion.


Indeed, though some anorexics are vegan (used as an excuse for controlling food), not all vegans are anorexic.

Looking like an anorexic is different to being anorexic.

Vegans have their own nutritional issues .

Lee
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Old Thu, Jul-12-12, 14:57
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It's true LC diets attract a very disproportionate number of adherents who are much more genetically prone to overweight, insulin resistance, hyperinsulinemia than average.

I mean think about it...almost ALL diet advice from doctors, dietitians, nutritionists, government, and large health bureaucracies tells us to eat a HIGH CARB diet that is LOW in fat. So that is almost inevitably what most people will do when they decide they need to lose some weight. And if you have robust glucose/fructose handling ability, you may very well do ok with that type diet. And so you will look no further. You will never go on an LC diet.

Heck, even I did sort of ok with that dietary paradigm when much younger, and had much better glucose handling ability than I do now that I'm past 40.

But who the heck does LC diets? Who does a diet that is almost EXACT OPPOSITE of what all the "experts" tell us to eat. Who dares to follow a diet that is not approved by Bob Greene or Dr. Oz?

I'll tell ya who.

Lots of really metabolically messed up people. In other words, the people for whom the high-carb/low-fat diet simply did not work well. And such folks are legion.

So yeah, LC attracts a lot of the "hardcore obese" and people with screwed up metabolisms who do NOT do well with "conventional" diet advice.

Whereas vegan diets tend to attract those for whom the "conventional" wisdom seems to work. Not to mention lots of already slim and health conscious folks who are vegan only for "moral" reasons. Folks who would be slim eating Twinkies every day.

As a personal trainer I have tried every diet under the sun with clients over the years. No diet works perfectly for every person in every circumstance, but I can honestly say that LC generates the best results BY FAR with my mostly middle-age clientele. Better than Body for Life, Volumetrics, Eat Clean Diet, etc. Better than all of them. And without HUNGER!

My clients used to always complain of hunger back when I was pushing low-fat "Bodybuilder" type diets on them. But it seems almost all of them are able to lose weight WITHOUT HUNGER on LC.

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Old Mon, Jul-23-12, 16:05
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I can't believe I'm resurrecting my own thread, but...

I just found out today that Laura Dolson is obese. I'm sorry, but if you've been following a diet for years and are still obese, then maybe this diet isn't working for you. And maybe you shouldn't be recommending it to others AND writing a blog about how great said diet is.

And, no, I don't necessarily think that thin = healthy, but is it unrealistic to hope that there's a diet out there that will bring about both health and a slender physique? Has Ms. Dolson tried any other diets?
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Old Mon, Jul-23-12, 17:03
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Maybe dieting doesn't work. Maybe low carb eating works better for Laura Dolson than anything else she has tried, and she wants to share her insights with the world. I trust someone who has walked in my shoes much more than someone for whom excess fat and subsequent weight loss is an abstract notion.

How is low carb working for you? Are you dissatisfied?
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Old Mon, Jul-23-12, 18:05
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I don't think it's quite fair to say the diet isn't working for her. She said she's had some important parameters of health realized due to her low carb diet. She also said she's kept off her 5% of pre-low carb weight, for 10 years. No, that's not a robust amount of weight, but on the other hand without the low carb diet, chances are she would have gained. In my book, keeping off ANY amount of weight loss long term is a measure of success.

The norm is for fat people to stay fat, get fatter or more likely yet, lose weight and get even fatter than they would have if they'd never lost weight. For many of us, this has been our lives.

"Obese" at my height, is 190 lbs. Frankly, I would have been thrilled to be that weight the last two decades instead of the 250-270 lbs I actually was. I don't think whatever weight Laura is that's considered obese necessarily precludes her from having valuable insight and knowledge to impart.

Still, it will be interesting to see how she responds to some of the responses she's received. She had to know she was going to get a reaction.
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Old Mon, Jul-23-12, 18:13
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Maybe dieting doesn't work. Maybe low carb eating works better for Laura Dolson than anything else she has tried, and she wants to share her insights with the world.


You may be right. But nowhere on the About.com lowcarb site does it say "I didn't lose much weight on this diet but it makes me feel good." Or, "I tried other diets and this is the only one I lost any weight with." Did she try other diets? If she says so on her blog I have overlooked it, and I apologize.

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I trust someone who has walked in my shoes much more than someone for whom excess fat and subsequent weight loss is an abstract notion.


I'm not sure what you mean by this. I'm not looking for dietary advice in the abstract.

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How is low carb working for you? Are you dissatisfied?


This is not about me. This is about expecting people who write about how great certain diets are to actually have benefitted from said diet.
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Old Mon, Jul-23-12, 18:18
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Still, it will be interesting to see how she responds to some of the responses she's received. She had to know she was going to get a reaction.


I found out about her weight because I did a google image search. Did she write a blog post about her weight? I don't know what you're referring to.
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Old Mon, Jul-23-12, 18:22
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I thought this was what you were referring to, where she refers to herself as obese: http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/b/201...ocrinoloist.htm

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Old Mon, Jul-23-12, 18:24
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This is not about me. This is about expecting people who write about how great certain diets are to actually have benefitted from said diet.
I think there are tons of "people who write about how great certain diets are and who actually have benefitted from said diet. " Course they all might have different ideas about what the benefits are.

If you found a guru who met your expectation, had a history just like you and followed a diet that got exactly the results you want - what then?

Just wondering how you care about guru diet integrity.
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Old Mon, Jul-23-12, 18:26
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I'm not sure what you mean by this. I'm not looking for dietary advice in the abstract.


What I mean is I don't take weight control advice from someone who has never had a weight issue themselves. Been there, done that, and it doesn't work for me long term. I think it is too easy to decide what others should do based on what one does personally. If that person has never been overweight, their opinion carries far less weight for me.
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Old Mon, Jul-23-12, 19:50
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I thought this was what you were referring to, where she refers to herself as obese: http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/b/201...ocrinoloist.htm

Thanks for the link. Very Interesting!
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Old Mon, Jul-23-12, 20:21
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I can't believe I'm resurrecting my own thread, but...

I just found out today that Laura Dolson is obese. (snip)


Where did you hear this? ETA: Oh, the link was given, sorry about that.
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