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Old Wed, Jan-26-11, 07:42
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Maybe you should not be so honest at first about your going back to low carb. Some people have a knee jerk reaction when they hear Atkins or low carb. Maybe you could just say you are eating whole unprocessed foods and keeping breads, potatoes and pasta to a minimum. Its not all false information after all. There is so much misconseptions based on uneducated information and lies that people tend to respond negativly. Or it could be that they are jellous because they cant make the same comitment to themself to get educated and make better choices.
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Maybe you should not be so honest at first about your going back to low carb. Some people have a knee jerk reaction when they hear Atkins or low carb. Maybe you could just say you are eating whole unprocessed foods and keeping breads, potatoes and pasta to a minimum. Its not all false information after all. There is so much misconseptions based on uneducated information and lies that people tend to respond negativly. Or it could be that they are jellous because they cant make the same comitment to themself to get educated and make better choices.
It is your body, your health and your decision!

Tammie


Hi Tammie,

You make a valid point. I totally agree with you that telling people you're eating "low carb" freaks a lot of them out. I know because I have been one of those people that would freak out and feel the need to lecture and educate them on how bad it is...especially for your kidneys, etc. etc. Again, that's a direct result of all the voodoo the doctors and nutritionists I went to put in my head!

So I think I'll take your advice and avoid the words "low carb" with the doc today. I'll just say "I've cut out grains and sugar and increased my vegetable and lean protein intake". I'll leave out the part about my fat intake has gone up. That freaks out the docs too. If she's listening she'll know right away that I'm actually saying "I am eating low carb" right?

The more I'm thinking about it, if I get a negative reaction or a lecture then that's a good sign (in my opinion) that it's time to find a new doctor. I need and want support while I adjust to this way of eating and I don't need a doctor that "doesn't get it". I'll give her a chance though and hear her out and then decide what I need to do next.
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Old Wed, Jan-26-11, 14:02
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Sounds like a good course of action to me, finding one that supports what you're doing. When I was looking for a therapist once, I really wanted one that believed in the principles of buddhism, or at the very least meditation. The one I found was Jewish, but she went on two week sabaticals for meditation...so she got me, and I found that comforting.
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I had to post because your first post made me think of myself. I had the same health issues with the insulin, high blood pressure, etc. I had starved myself for years on TOPS, and tried Weight Watchers. I followed the plans, and nothing would work. I would gain and loose the same 2 lbs or so constantly. I remember it taken 5 months of eating celery sticks, lettuce, no fat, etc. and dropping 3 lbs. I wanted to die. It seemed so difficult.

I also, had to comment about maybe not telling others that you are lc eating. I made the mistake of telling my friends and family. They hit the roof, i couldn't take all the bugging and harassing. I didn't even tell my husband. I kept it to myself. People do not understand Atkins, or lc eating really, they just think we all eat lard all day. I finally started telling those who asked that I am not following a "diet". Instead i just do not eat preservatives, sugars, flours or grains, and eat lean protein with aLOT of veggies every day. I also found that using my medical condition seemed to make people less insistent. I told them, because i am type 2, that i am following this way of eating. When i added that to it, and not the Atkins label, suddenly everyone thought it was very very healthy way of eating.
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I had to post because your first post made me think of myself. I had the same health issues with the insulin, high blood pressure, etc. I had starved myself for years on TOPS, and tried Weight Watchers. I followed the plans, and nothing would work. I would gain and loose the same 2 lbs or so constantly. I remember it taken 5 months of eating celery sticks, lettuce, no fat, etc. and dropping 3 lbs. I wanted to die. It seemed so difficult.

I also, had to comment about maybe not telling others that you are lc eating. I made the mistake of telling my friends and family. They hit the roof, i couldn't take all the bugging and harassing. I didn't even tell my husband. I kept it to myself. People do not understand Atkins, or lc eating really, they just think we all eat lard all day. I finally started telling those who asked that I am not following a "diet". Instead i just do not eat preservatives, sugars, flours or grains, and eat lean protein with aLOT of veggies every day. I also found that using my medical condition seemed to make people less insistent. I told them, because i am type 2, that i am following this way of eating. When i added that to it, and not the Atkins label, suddenly everyone thought it was very very healthy way of eating.


Well I just finished my first full week eating low carb and I dropped 6 lbs so for me it's complete validation that what I was doing while on WW's was NOT going to work for me no matter how much I tried. It's also validation to me that while everyone was secretly thinking that I must be pigging out in private because otherwise I'd be losing weight, is just complete ignorance and lack of understanding on their part. And ya know what? I'm okay with that.

And yes, I've found out very quickly not to use the words "low carb" with others. They just don't have a clue what it really means and again, that's okay with me. I don't let the words even leave my mouth anymore in any conversations I have with someone regarding nutrition, weight loss, etc., if they don't already know what I'm doing.

I'm already starting to feel like it's my own personal, private journey and no one really needs to know what I'm doing unless I feel comfortable telling them. I'm thinking it won't be long before they think I'm on speed or turned bulimic as their way to explain my weight loss success as I progress.

I'm not out to change anyone's understanding on this topic or convert them to low carb. If they're open to it they will listen and go out and do their own research, if they aren't they'll freak out or think that I'm in the process of killing myself with protein and fat. Either way, I'll just keep working on getting myself healthy.
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Old Thu, Jan-27-11, 11:50
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Congrats on the loss. Dont get discuraged if your loss slows or seems to stop. Keep going and it will start moving again. The scale didnt show any loss for me for almost 2 weeks but I just kept on and now the scale is moving again and in a downward motion none the less haha. I am going to find a post that was so helpfull about loss and the scale not moving that I want you to read it too. It may take me a bit to find it but be on the lookout.

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Congratulations on thinking for yourself and turning around your health issues!

Since I've been low carbing for six years, going on seven, I don't get the same lectures I used to
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Old Thu, Jan-27-11, 12:07
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It didnt take as long to find as I thought it would. Look at the first post in this thread

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthre...d=1#post8258095

Let me know if the link doesnt work

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Old Thu, Jan-27-11, 12:11
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I tried the link and it didnt work so I copied and pasted below. Its long but so worth reading. I am sorry for stealing it from someone else here but I realy wanted to share this with you and didnt know how else to get it to you.

WHY THE SCALES CAN LIE

A biologist at Berkeley shared something very revealing on the low-carb BBS system about 4 years ago that helps us all through the erratic weight fluctuations you invariably encounter: Fat cells are resilient, stubborn little creatures that do not want to give up their actual cell volume. Over a period of weeks, maybe months of "proper dieting", each of your fat cells may have actually lost a good percentage of the actual fat contained in those cells. But the fat cells themselves, stubborn little guys, replace that lost fat with water to retain their size. That is, instead of shrinking to match the reduced amount of fat in the cell, they stay the same size! Result - you weigh the same, look the same, maybe even gained some scale weight, even though you have actually lost some serious fat.

The good news is that this water replacement is temporary. It's a defensive measure to keep your body from changing too rapidly. It allows the fat cell to counter the rapid change in cell composition, allowing for a slow, gradual reduction in cell size. The problem is, most people are frustrated with their apparent lack of success, assume they have lost nothing, and stop dieting.

However, if you give those fat cells some time, like 4-6 months, and ignore the scale weight fluctuations, your real weight/shape will slowly begin to show. The moral of the story - be patient! Your body is changing even if the number on the scale isn't.

PATTERNS OF WEIGHT LOSS

Common patterns of weight loss from tracking a lot of people who become assimilated into the low carb lifestyle, a pattern emerges.... the 2 week induction is pretty heady...weight lost just about every single day, enormous and unbelievable amounts of weight loss are reported. This is often followed by complaints that weight loss "stalls" or that the rate drops to only 1 pound per week.

Many people just don't know that fat-loss ...the actual goal when on a weight-reduction" diet, is rate-limited. In other words, the human body has factors that prevent more than a certain amount of fatty-acid release from storage...and even more factors that prevent those released fatty acids from being used up instead of stored back into the fat cells.

A priority of the human body is survival. Anything that threatens its survival results in the cascade of events to maintain the previous status quo. Water fluctuations are one way the body does this. OK...so you done good on Atkins' during induction...lost 10 pounds the first 2 weeks. Maybe 7 the first week and 3 the second. But, whoa! Weeks 3 and 4 there is NO loss! And weeks 5 and 6 is only 1/2 pound each!

So... what gives? Initially, the body jettisons the water attached to the glycogen stores that we diligently deplete to get into ketosis...this accounts for about 3-5 pounds of water. In addition, muscle stores of glycogen are not being replaced when used...which will account for the rest. All in all...MAYBE 1/2 pound of fat was metabolized during the first week... and MAYBE 1/2 pound of fat was metabolized the 2nd week. Of that 10 initial pounds, only 1 pound was fat and 9 pounds water...

The body senses this lack and sirens start shrieking: Warning! Warning! Losing water... new thing...got to get back to the status quo! Brain tells body to produce and release that vasopressin anti-diuretic hormone....more water is retained, and no weight loss noticed. Fat loss is still occurring, MAYBE even 2 pounds per week, because ketosis is firmly established and appetite suppression is in effect...but water retention is hiding that continuing fat loss. The body is preventing dehydration with this mechanism, and that's a *good* thing.

From the perspective of the scale, it can be discouraging. Which is why the mantra: Water retention masks fat loss (repeated frequently to oneself) is helpful. Water retention will mask ongoing fat-loss for as long as the body retains the water. We can combat this by drinking more water...but we aren't going to totally overcome this mechanism during the initial water-loss phase of the Atkins diet. By weeks 5 and 6, things start to get back in balance, and the scale will begin to reflect the true fat-loss...which, as mentioned before is rate-limited.

Individuals vary, but max weight loss runs about 2 pounds per week...under extremely optimal conditions... or 1% of body weight (whichever is the lower number). So don't use the scale as an excuse to undermine your progress. Even when the scale is in a stall, fat loss can be occurring.

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We've been told over an over again that daily weighing is unnecessary, yet many of us can't resist peeking at that number every morning. If you just can't bring yourself to toss the scale in the trash, you should definitely familiarize yourself with the factors that influence it's readings. From water retention to glycogen storage and changes in lean body mass, daily weight fluctuations are normal. They are not indicators of your success or failure. Once you understand how these mechanisms work, you can free yourself from the daily battle with the bathroom scale.

Water makes up about 60% of total body mass. Normal fluctuations in the body's water content can send scale-watchers into a tailspin if they don't understand what's happening. Two factors influencing water retention are water consumption and salt intake. Strange as it sounds, the less water you drink, the more of it your body retains. If you are even slightly dehydrated your body will hang onto it's water supplies with a vengeance, possibly causing the number on the scale to inch upward. The solution is to drink plenty of water.

Excess salt (sodium) can also play a big role in water retention. A single teaspoon of salt contains over 2,000 mg of sodium. Generally, we should only eat between 1,000 and 3,000 mg of sodium a day, so it's easy to go overboard. Sodium is a sneaky substance. You would expect it to be most highly concentrated in salty chips, nuts, and crackers. However, a food doesn't have to taste salty to be loaded with sodium. A half cup of instant pudding actually contains nearly four times as much sodium as an ounce of salted nuts, 460 mg in the pudding versus 123 mg in the nuts.

The more highly processed a food is, the more likely it is to have a high sodium content. That's why, when it comes to eating, it's wise to stick mainly to the basics: fruits, vegetables, lean meat, beans, and whole grains. Be sure to read the labels on canned foods, boxed mixes, and frozen dinners.

Women may also retain several pounds of water prior to menstruation. This is very common and the weight will likely disappear as quickly as it arrives. Pre-menstrual water-weight gain can be minimized by drinking plenty of water, maintaining an exercise program, and keeping high-sodium processed foods to a minimum.

Another factor that can influence the scale is glycogen. Think of glycogen as a fuel tank full of stored carbohydrate. Some glycogen is stored in the liver and some is stored the muscles themselves. This energy reserve weighs more than a pound and it's packaged with 3-4 pounds of water when it's stored. Your glycogen supply will shrink during the day if you fail to take in enough carbohydrates.

As the glycogen supply shrinks you will experience a small imperceptible increase in appetite and your body will restore this fuel reserve along with it's associated water. It's normal to experience glycogen and water weight shifts of up to 2 pounds per day even with no changes in your calorie intake or activity level. These fluctuations have nothing to do with fat loss, although they can make for some unnecessarily dramatic weigh-ins if you're prone to obsessing over the number on the scale.

Otherwise rational people also tend to forget about the actual weight of the food they eat. For this reason, it's wise to weigh yourself first thing in the morning before you've had anything to eat or drink. Swallowing a bunch of food before you step on the scale is no different than putting a bunch of rocks in your pocket. The 5 pounds that you gain right after a huge dinner is not fat. It's the actual weight of everything you've had to eat and drink. The added weight of the meal will be gone several hours later when you've finished digesting it.

Exercise physiologists tell us that in order to store one pound of fat, you need to eat 3,500 calories more than your body is able to burn. In other words, to actually store the above dinner as 5 pounds of fat, it would have to contain a whopping 17,500 calories. This is not likely, in fact it's not humanly possible. So when the scale goes up 3 or 4 pounds overnight, rest easy, it's likely to be water, glycogen, and the weight of your dinner. Keep in mind that the 3,500 calorie rule works in reverse also. In order to lose one pound of fat you need to burn 3,500 calories more than you take in.

Generally, it's only possible to lose 1-2 pounds of fat per week. When you follow a very low calorie diet that causes your weight to drop 10 pounds in 7 days, it's physically impossible for all of that to be fat. What you're really losing is water, glycogen, and muscle.

This brings us to the scale's sneakiest attribute. It doesn't just weigh fat. It weighs muscle, bone, water, internal organs and all. When you lose "weight," that doesn't necessarily mean that you've lost fat. In fact, the scale has no way of telling you what you've lost (or gained). Losing muscle is nothing to celebrate. Muscle is a metabolically active tissue. The more muscle you have the more calories your body burns, even when you're just sitting around. That's one reason why a fit, active person is able to eat considerably more food than the dieter who is unwittingly destroying muscle tissue.

Robin Landis, author of "Body Fueling," compares fat and muscles to feathers and gold. One pound of fat is like a big fluffy, lumpy bunch of feathers, and one pound of muscle is small and valuable like a piece of gold. Obviously, you want to lose the dumpy, bulky feathers and keep the sleek beautiful gold. The problem with the scale is that it doesn't differentiate between the two. It can't tell you how much of your total body weight is lean tissue and how much is fat.

There are several other measuring techniques that can accomplish this, although they vary in convenience, accuracy, and cost. Skin-fold calipers pinch and measure fat folds at various locations on the body, hydrostatic (or underwater) weighing involves exhaling all of the air from your lungs before being lowered into a tank of water, and bioelectrical impedance measures the degree to which your body fat impedes a mild electrical current.

If the thought of being pinched, dunked, or gently zapped just doesn't appeal to you, don't worry. The best measurement tool of all turns out to be your very own eyes. How do you look? How do you feel? How do your clothes fit? Are your rings looser? Do your muscles feel firmer? These are the true measurements of success. If you are exercising and eating right, don't be discouraged by a small gain on the scale. Fluctuations are perfectly normal. Expect them to happen and take them in stride.

It's a matter of mind over scale.
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WHY THE SCALES CAN LIE .... etc


well, I had read something more brief a few weeks ago and couldn't find it again so this was great!

thanks for that info was very interesting and I think we should all try to prevent weighing our selves any more frequently than 2-6weeks (2 very minimum)
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Tammie

Great article, thanks for posting it. I know my first week loss is almost all water. Don't forget I have more experience dieting than anything else I've done in life so far! I know the stalls are coming. To get through them all I have to do is ask myself "if I go back to eating carbs will that help me get to my goal?" Of course the answer is no.
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Congratulations on thinking for yourself and turning around your health issues!

Since I've been low carbing for six years, going on seven, I don't get the same lectures I used to



Thanks WereBear. Well...for now I'm going to keep it to myself because I'm sure everone on here gets tired of trying to explain (or defend) it all the time.
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Way to go Patina!! thanks for your kind words...I am so glad you stopped taking the statin...Dr.Kurt Harris who is a cardiologist has written 2 blogs about the Lipid theory and why statins are harmful on his PaNu website..Statins
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I have been reading along here, and had to put in my two cents
I am so glad you found your way back to Low Carb
I do think the miscoception is when people say I eat NO CARB! Eyes roll and eye blows raise, and its just nuts.. Shame on them I say!
My Twin likes to tell me, CARBS give you energy,,,, ok,,, well its not energy I am lacking, its FAT that I have... She looks at me so funny...its true....

I am a Type 1 Diabetic, it took 38 yrs and many many I call them donkeys, they didn't know squat.

The I had a problem for many yrs, told a million things, the on I remember most was " Well you are a women"..ok.. well I found out waht this WOMEN problem was, it was a Tumor on My Adrenal Gland. I had a bleed out and it leaked into my URINE,,it was when the Adrenal Gland Shut down from being invaded by the Tumor. They found this out from researching others with this..

I don't have a Love or thought that Doctor's are a step down from God. But I do know the Urologist I had saved my life when many made utterly wrong diagnoses for me. Sometimes we have to do whats best for us, listening to our inner self, and go with what we think is right. Our Doctors know little about Nutrition. Its Sad... they should all know Low Fat, Low Cal has done nothing but cause all the havic with illness we see today.

You don't want to know what I think of WW...

So eat you protein, Lean or Fatty, and eat your Veggies and just smile at people


I think you have found your Inner good, so enjoy it and I am sure you will be much lighter by summer Debbie

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also, had to comment about maybe not telling others that you are lc eating. I made the mistake of telling my friends and family.


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We've been going back and forth about this a lot lately in various threads, and it's a matter of opinion on whether to be up-front about it--it's basically how much crap you're willing to take. I finally got confident enough to talk about it around my coworkers, and I've been regretting it ever since. So the word 'mistake' here resonated with me. I definitely feel it was a mistake for me. Life's too short to set yourself up for that kind of uphill battle on a daily basis.

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