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Old Sun, Jun-06-10, 12:57
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What's wrong with weight gain as long as it's muscle? I know when I was doing martial arts regularly I didn't lose a lot of weight but I became much smaller in size due to the gain in muscle.
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Old Mon, Jun-07-10, 09:46
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What's wrong with weight gain as long as it's muscle? I know when I was doing martial arts regularly I didn't lose a lot of weight but I became much smaller in size due to the gain in muscle.


And carrying those pounds of muscle may do some good things for your metabolism and even state of mind.
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Old Wed, Jun-09-10, 19:22
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Plan: south beach
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Weight gain can lead to back problems,cardio problems etc.
Another problem with weight lifting induced weight gain is
a lot of the muscle will turn to fat if weight lifting,for some
reason,must cease.
I must admit that I,since I reached my goal weight, have
become absurdly weight conscious.
I lust for the simple life without tradeoffs,decisions,cats,cookie
stealing rabbits.
<sigh>
Eddie
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Old Wed, Jun-09-10, 19:50
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I don't think muscle turns into fat. I mean yes, you can get fatty striations in your muscle but you're more likely to catabolize your muscle, burn it for fuel, rather than have it turn into pure fat.

Muscle also helps to support your bones which is a good thing for arthritis. You want muscle to be doing it's work so there isn't so much wear and tear on the bones.

Besides, most of us don't really build muscle all that quickly or easily.
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Old Wed, Jun-09-10, 20:15
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It's very hard at least for me to build muscle. Even when I was younger. I would spend approx 10 hours a week in the gym and I never got bigger. I maybe added 4 pounds at the most of muscle. Now that I am older and past menopause my ratio of fat to muscle has changed and not for the good but I still continue to workout one way or another.

My preferred methods of workout are pilates/yoga type workouts for resistance training and dancy types for cardio.
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Old Thu, Jun-10-10, 09:28
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Question muscle/fat

You will not burn muscle for energy unless you are
starving yourself.
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Old Thu, Jun-10-10, 10:52
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I'm not sure that's true, Eddie. Evolutionarily, muscle extracts a metabolic cost to maintain, versus not having it. So if you don't use it or need it, if you're sedentary, then wouldn't it make sense for the body to tear it down and use the proteins elsewhere?

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Your body will tend to burn any unused muscle before it begins to burn the fat it has saved up. If you do not exercise daily, your body will consume your unused muscle, and you will lose muscle mass and strength. Daily aerobic exercise for 30 minutes will communicate to your body that you want to use your muscles and force it to burn the fat instead. Our exercise specialist will work with you to determine what types of exercise is best.


I googled a bit and didn't find anything all that great on the topic. But I don't think muscle is just some sort of frame to hang fat on.

http://www.hubariatrics.com/content/b_faq_after.cfm
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Old Fri, Jun-11-10, 09:27
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Atkins said that,when carbs are restricted,the body burns fat for energy-the ketosis thing.I'm not saying that just because Atkins said/wrote it,it is correct.I do believe that,once an aggressive exercise program is initiated,fat will set in if exercise ceases.I trot for a half mile in the Houston heat and humidity each morning and do about 30 minutes of weight lifting at night.I do this 5 days a week.I think sometimes that I would like to be a couch potato for a month or so.
<sigh>
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Old Fri, Jun-11-10, 09:43
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Hmmm... maybe I could find a personal trainer for a session or two, then go on my own.


I signed up for individual training sessions with a personal trainer at my gym. My gym is run by the city I live in, but I think you could do this at most places. What I did is I bought a "three pack." The first time she met with me to give me the routine and the basic how-to's and do's/don'ts, best practice, form, number of reps, etc. The second time will be in about a month to see how I've progressed.

The third time will be at the 3 month point to introduce new and more challenging exercises.

I've learned that with Strength Training you do need to mix it up after a while before your body gets used to the routine.
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Old Fri, Jun-11-10, 10:38
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Eddie - weightlifting is more important than running for keeping muscle and avoiding fat. I prefer HIIT sprints to running, at least when my plantar fasciitis is not rearing its 'head'.
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Old Fri, Jun-11-10, 15:57
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Plan: Eat Fat, Get Thin
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Rob - If I wanted to lose 5 pounds and I wanted to choose HIIT Sprints as opposed to jogging an hour a day to do it, how many sprints would I be doing and how long would it take each day? Assumption is that either way would get 5 pounds off in a month... Also, I know I'm asking you for a best guess and not a scientific guranteed result..... It is something I've been considering now that I'm in good enough condition to do it.

I do 30 minutes on weight machines 3 times a week and I do an hour and 30 minutes of Qigong exercises 7 days a week. My Qigong ability has taken me to a level of strength I don't think I ever had in my life, but that little bit of belly fat has been plaguing me long enough.

My wife says I need to do sit-ups. Now, I only do stomach crunches, but I wouldn't call it sit-ups. I have a fear of doing hard sit-ups because of 3 fused discs and half a tail bone removed surgically about 23 years ago....

I'm open to suggestions...
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Old Fri, Jun-11-10, 20:05
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Plan: generalized low carb
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Take all I say with a gram or more of salt, I am not an expert, and the experts are far from unanimous on all of this. I get bored doing standards 'cardio', and can't imagine enjoying a marathon. But I love sprinting, and when I am feeling well (like before my statin poisoning - thanks doc) I was going fast enough to maybe be competitive in my age group (over 65, now I am over 70).

Neither distance running nor sprinting burns all that many calories. The plan is that you end up raising your metabolism both by the exercise, and by having to rebuild muscles damaged in the exercise. Sprinting allegedly does more of this for you, and in less time. My preference is to do a mile of sprints (100 meters at a time, then walk back to starting point) and about once a week. I find it fun. When I don't have a sprain, fatigue, or plantar fasciitis. I would recommend that you try a LITTLE sprinting, even 25 yards and walk a hundred and see what happens. Don't start out big. We are too old for that. The other benefit is that sprinting is good for you IF your body can take it. We are evolved for that extreme exertion for short periods. It builds muscles, endurance, cardiac fitness and all that. But start out easy and see if you and your body like it.

Situps will not get rid of body fat, nor crunches, nor whatever. Only dropping body fat - I have decided that a bit of belly fat is likely permanent, currently I have more than I should, maybe 10-15 pounds. I work at keeping BGs in goal. Exercise does help a lot.
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Old Sat, Jun-12-10, 10:42
Cajunboy47 Cajunboy47 is offline
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Plan: Eat Fat, Get Thin
Stats: 212/162/155 Male 68 "
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Progress: 88%
Location: Breaux Bridge, La
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Thanks Rob,

I think I can start out doing 25-30 yard sprints, walk back as you suggested and that shouldn't task me too much, and it would be a good starting point. We've got nice sidewalks in front of my home and I think I could do this when I get back from my qigong exercise at the gym.

I also get bored with long distance running if I'm not using music or watching a program while on a treadmill. Actually, I alternate several different strides when running for an hour and use a hec of a lot of different arm exercises, all to break the monotony...

I'll post how I'm doing with this in a few weeks...
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