Seriously, beef and water is just not the answer. Plus, unless you plan to do this FOREVER (and I'd rather hang myself from the tallest tree), what would happen when you add carbs back in in the form of fruits and veggies. Your body will have then become SOOOO sensitive to carbs, you'd gain weight immediately. To those people who swear by living on beef and water, I'd like to see you in 10 years tell me you are still only eating that.

Oh I stopped fighting my body. I am now "beef and water only". My mind is still not ready to accept this for the rest of my life, but I'm simply too insulin resistant to handle any carbs. As soon as I am passed losing water weight, I will start updating my weight loss ticker. It's going to change very often.

I guess that people maintaining on moderate carbs or even WW are either not too insulin resistant or simply willing to deal with counting the quantity of food they eat everyday and maintaining an artificial caloric deficit until they pass on. It's certainly not for me.

Patrick

Fear Mongering? No, telling me that I'm feeding myself toxic levels of carbs is more fear mongering than anything. Btw: I reached my goal eating this way and feel great. Telling me I eat toxic levels of anything is speculation and fear mongering.

Hold on. Either we consider weight loss and maintenance, or we consider the whole health picture.

Yeah, that's what you're doing this week. Patrick, you have switched plans this year numerous times, each time swearing by the principles of that paticular plan. This week, it's beef and water only.

I'm very healthy, what's your point?

My body is already too sensitive to carbs and it's always been this way for me. I was a fat kid!

I think I would prefer eating ZC or, when I have reached my goal, extremely VLC forever while being satiated than counting my calories forever and be hungry and miserable forever just so I can eat some carbs.

Patrick

I give up. Go read the books. Start with Gary Taubes, Good Calories Bad Calories. Then Not By Bread Alone, by Vilhjalmur Stefansson. Then finish off with Weston Price, Nutrition and Physical Degeneration.

True!

I hope I'll be able to stick to this one, because I believe it's to only solution for me.

Patrick

Are you trying to make a case that your personal experience should apply to everybody else?

I've read GCBC along with many other books (take a look at my profile for the list of books I've read).

I just don't know how you can argue with success and I'm a picture of success, as are many others on this board who eat the so-called toxic level of carbs. It goes against what you think, but that doesn't make it any less real.

And I truly hope you reach your goal as I've followed you for a while now, I just don't think this beef and water is it for you. Time will tell.

No more than you are.

No. I think a muscle meat only diet does not provide sufficient micronutrients. All societies that thrive on meat and fat only diets eat everything from the eyeballs to the ...other end and the offal provide a lot of necessary nutrients. I don't have access to an all organic free range completely natural source of offal.

I have tried meat only. I feel completely wretched after a week. More importantly, I was completely unable to maintain a stable blood sugar level and started being dangerously unable to function. You can tell my I didn't hold out long enough if you wish, but I'm afraid I'll have to scoff. There is evidence that diabetics on vlc and high protein need a lot more insulin than they do on moderate carbs. I'm sorry, I don't remember where I left those citations. They're in my journal somewhere. I conclude that one of the things broken in my system is the ability to properly regulate gluconeogenesis.

Also, too much beef raises my blood pressure. So not a good choice for my body.




Read her work and looked into it. At the moment I'm having a lot of luck with avoiding a truly absurd list of food sensitivities. Once my body cycles down from the stress of those, I'll work on whatever the next issue turns out to be.

'...perhaps we are eating larger portions of lower carb foods than we realize,...'
I have been thinking a lot about this. When I first when on the Atkins diet, years ago, I was impressed that I could eat a nice big steak and not worry about the portion size (you can never do that when you are counting calories).
For awhile, ignoring portion size works. It's hard to eat a LOT of meat when all you ever eat is protein - but it's easy to eat a half loaf of bread (toasted, with butter!); this is the beauty of low-carbing for me. But at some point, portion size does matter, even with meat.