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Old Tue, Apr-22-08, 18:58
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a couple billion of them (mostly manifested as metabolic syndrome/diabetes) in the industrialized nations.
I can't find any reasonable estimate of the total population of the Industrialized Nations that is more than two billion, unless you are including Emergent Nations again, but that only makes about 4 billion. Surely you aren't saying that every other person is diabetic? Switching terminology around is a good way to be misunderstood.

Perhaps by 'billions" you mean "a large number"? I could go with that.
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Old Tue, Apr-22-08, 19:11
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Ok then, now that we have redefined "the developed world" to include the two largest national populations even though they are really Emergent Nations
Emerged enough, if their diabetes growth rates are any indication.
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and redefined "starvation" to mean imperfect nutrition (largely due to political and cultural issues), then I agree with you.
Aw... "imperfect nutrution"... it sounds so trivial when you put it that way. But seriously, I don't think there is anything trivial about the consequences of this type of malnutrition (diabetes, heart disease, alzheimers etc). Do you?

Anyway, you mention "political and cultural issues" - are there countries where malnutrition is due to something other than political and cultural issues?
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Old Tue, Apr-22-08, 19:20
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Emerged enough
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are there countries where malnutrition is due to something other than political and cultural issues?
Again, depending on your definitions, which I'm not sure I can depend on. It's been fascinating though. We'll have to talk again sometime.
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Old Wed, Apr-23-08, 16:30
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I can't find any reasonable estimate of the total population of the Industrialized Nations that is more than two billion, unless you are including Emergent Nations again, but that only makes about 4 billion.
Yes, 4 billion is more like it. Or are you claiming that China and India are not industrialized?
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Surely you aren't saying that every other person is diabetic?
Various studies put prevalence of metabolic syndrome/diabetes in industrialized countries (USA, China, India) at around 25%, Russia a bit more, Western Europe a bit less. Most of the data I've seen is several years old, and the rate worldwide has been increasing so yes, we could easily be looking at close to two billion with metabolic syndrome/diabetes.
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Switching terminology around is a good way to be misunderstood.
Sure... but what does that have to do with this conversation?
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Old Wed, Apr-23-08, 16:36
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Sure... but what does that have to do with this conversation?
Absolutely nothing, er... using my definitions of "absolutely" and "nothing".
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Old Wed, Apr-23-08, 16:56
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Absolutely nothing, er... using my definitions of "absolutely" and "nothing".
Awesome! So why'd you bring it up?
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Old Wed, Apr-23-08, 18:51
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Absolutely nothing, er... using my definitions of "absolutely" and "nothing".
I assume your definitions sum to "everything".
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Old Wed, Apr-23-08, 18:53
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I assume your definitions sum to "everything".
LOL - Good to see you can add two plus two and get five, for extremely large values of "two".
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I learned addition from the same dictionary being used in this discussion.
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Old Wed, Apr-23-08, 19:03
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I learned addition from the same dictionary being used in this discussion.
I take it that by "Dictionary" you mean "hatrack" and by "discussion" you mean "A lemon which has been squashed into the mud of a Morrocan back road by a rampaging flock of sheep"?

In that case, I agree with you.
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Old Wed, Apr-23-08, 19:48
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Nice to know we are on the same page.
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Old Wed, Apr-23-08, 20:03
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Nice to know we are on the same page.
Yeah, we're like twins with ESP or Text messaging or something.
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Old Wed, Apr-23-08, 21:44
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Another thing I find interesting is the use of the word "overnutrition" by many nutrition statisticians, as if the 25% or more of people in the industrialized nations with metabolic syndrome/diabetes got that way because of too much of a good diet, rather than too much of something (carbs) that isn't appropriate food for humans in the first place. The spin on this issue is just amazing.
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Old Thu, Apr-24-08, 06:07
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The spin on this issue is just amazing.
I have a friend who spins and she says she will teach our little homeschool group how to run a loom. Her loom is in a barn so now that it has gotten a little warmer maybe we can start. I was driving by and I can see her barn across the valley and the snow on the north side is almost down to the windows.
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Old Thu, Apr-24-08, 12:47
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Anyone who thinks the planet is running out of room has never had to drive across Kansas, Nebraska or Iowa.
I have driven across those states and it appeared to me that the land was all in use for food (or feed) production. I suppose we could pave and build over it but what would all those additional people eat?
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