I don't know what the creamers use... I swear they used to say something about containing petroleum based ingredients Anyway, I agree on the ghee - I use it as well as butter because they're such an easy to find, convenient source of animal fat.. and I seem to tolerate them fine. But technically, it's still dairy - so the more orthodox paleo dieters will frown upon ghee.

Well... I'm unorthodox in everything else...

Actually this has me wondering because I really don't know what's in non-dairy creamer... was just the first thing that came to mind when I typed out 'non-dairy' So I've looked it up and I'm disgusted.

Sugar free french vanilla coffee-mate contains partially hydrogenated soybean and/or cottonseed oil.... lovely.... along with sodium caseinate! Non-dairy my left foot!

http://www.coffee-mate.com/products...d.aspx?t=lowsug

I, uber-dairy sensitive as I am, have tried ghee, and I can't have it. I react to it like I do all other dairy - so there must be some trace amounts of the dairy in it somewhere that causes me to react. So I would say that ghee can't be classified as non-dairy based on my experience - but I realize that a lot of people have absolutely no probems with it - I'm probably just odd.

I haven't noticed that it did anything wrong to me, but think that's because I fall into the non-casein side of dairy allergies and ghee is casein free.

But now I'm thinking I might eat super clean for a while and try it out again just to be sure. I don't need another day like my 'oh I'll just have one cookie' debacle. Good god.

Oy I need to stop reading this forum. It's giving me too many ideas on things to research and I miss my free time

No Whammies - I don't think you're that odd. I'm allergic to all dairy and ALWAYS react to ghee. It definitely would fall under the dairy category though.

Anyway - it's actually really hard to find a true non-dairy creamer (as I know from personal experience) but even the few that do exist tend to be loaded with plenty of crap. I have coconut milk in my coffee which is delicious.

Oy non-dairy creamer is far too complicated. Good thing I drink my coffee black But you're absolutely right on coconut milk! So very good. I end up saving it for a treat tho... sort of a dessert coffee

It's just interesting tho that they can call it non-dairy creamer and still have milk type things in it. Too many things are strange with labeling laws. You would think, even if for no other reason than to prevent lawsuits, they would want to have non-dairy creamer be actually non-dairy.

It's kind of like the Country Crock 'butter' in my fridge (not mine) that says 0g trans fats in big letters across the top, but the first ingredient is partially hydrogenated oil of some kind. *sigh*

So much for truth in advertising

This is a very good point - why would they label it as such if it contains casein? Maybe they're just mental...

What she said.
Plus, I've got this lovely, solid equation that helps me remember dairy is bad. Dairy = $300 in required asthma medication. No dairy = $300 PER MONTH that I get to keep.

Although I get to keep butter. I did a trial with 2 months absolutely dairy free, then added butter in later. As long as I keep the use moderate, it doesn't bother me.

My local HFS carries cheese made from almonds. I got very excited until I read the label and found out it still had various forms of casseinates in it. ???

Let us know. I'll bet it does. My only two symptoms were weight stall/gain and acne.
And don't worry! Everything will be A OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Probably old news to anyone who cares, but it's new to me; according to this link :
"non-dairy" anything, including Cool Whip. Non-dairy does not mean milk-free. It is a term the dairy industry invented to indicate less than 1/2 % milk by weight, which could mean fully as much casein as whole milk!

A lot of people don't realize that casien is a dairy derivative - and wind up never understanding why they are still having trouble with dairy. It is pretty insidious how they sneak all kinds of dairy crap into things. That's why whenever someone on the boards saids they need to cut out dairy I try to give them a list of ingredients to look for - because otherwise they'll be spinning their wheels wondering why the cut out dairy and still feel like crap. It's kind of like gluten and how sneaky that stuff is - it's ubiquitous.

I once ordered calcium caseinate from a company that provides protein powders and used to (try) use it for protein drinks. It was the stickiest substance I've ever worked with when combined with liquid. Just like gluten is extremely stick, only this was far, far stickier. I had to throw away sponges or anything that got a lot of it on.

Makes you wonder what it does in your body...

Yeah! I always imagined it sticking to my intestines.

Frankly - I came across a similar article (can't remember where now) when I was in college. We had to research milk & rennin for the planning part of our biology exam. Anyway I was quite shocked at this 'dairy-free' thing because I suffer from casein allergy - admittedly it's highly unlikely that I'd ever touch any of this kind of stuff, but I can imagine that my parents may have bought such items to feed to me when I was younger! I showed my biology tutor and she was really shocked too. It seems rather bizarre especially today with the awareness that we have regarding allergies.