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Old Sun, Sep-09-07, 07:32
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Kessler, that is fricking tough.. and it is fricking tooooo much. Do all that you can in 15 minutes of HIIT..get as much work done in that 15 minutes..

but cut back the interval length..

BTW you are not a sissy boy bro..I 'm not sure many guys can full out sprint for 45 seconds..


Agreed. 45 seconds is one hell of a long all out sprint! Once or twice, ok. But 10 times in 20 minutes.....it seems like too much to me. I have done Tabatas....all out for 20 seconds, then walk for 10 seconds. 8 sets. That is a killer. I feel like I'm about to hack up a lung after that workout.
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Old Sun, Sep-09-07, 09:29
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I think you are just being a pussy and eating too many carbs.


WTF? Bro, I'm not trying to start a flame war here, but this is coming from a guy that has posted one pix and absolutely NO stats! Before you start challenging a guy's manhood, I think you should at least post stats for us and pixs would be cool too.

Anyway, Kessler even when you are fat adapted, as I have been for years, there is a window when you can take in carbs after your workout. But you have to be fat adapted. Drop the CKD protocol because it's obviously not working for you.

Go back and re-read the thread on Anthony's website about when you're doing high intensity, glycotic activities that you can replenish your stores without gaining weight I've been doing this for more than 3 months now, and when I post my new pixs at the end of this month, you'll see that I'm not gaining weight, definition definitely, but fat nope. While I've learned a hell of a lot from Dr. Ellis (85% of what I know) , I'm nobody's fanatic and don't think that any one person has all the answers. As I suggested, try the glycogen replenishing, and cut down on your sprints. Master tabatas before moving on to the other workout, which is a bit extreme IMO. Hey, are you training for a sport?
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Old Tue, Sep-11-07, 23:23
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I challenge you and CVH to try it and then get back to me. If one of you reports that you had no problem doing it I'll post in here and admit that I'm a sissy boy and that I need to butch up and take it like a man.


I will give it a try, honestly, we should cross-train, you do one of my workouts, I do one of yours, see the pros and cons of each, let's you test yourself in other areas too, If I don't finish your workout, I'll post on here and admit that I'm a p**sy and I need to stop acting like a bitch and take it like a man.

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WTF? Bro, I'm not trying to start a flame war here, but this is coming from a guy that has posted one pix and absolutely NO stats! Before you start challenging a guy's manhood, I think you should at least post stats for us and pixs would be cool too.


WTF yourself, I wasn't flaming the guy, it was in good humor, I wasn't "Challenging his manhood", Dark Humor, it's good for you.
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Old Fri, Dec-14-07, 12:01
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CVH needs a hug. =)
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Old Fri, Dec-14-07, 13:09
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I agree with the original poster in that you need carbs for energy just because i picture every single runner i've ever seen at the front of a race starting line, professional or amateur, and i truly doubt that any single one of them does low carb. I know professionals do way harder workouts, but even the non-professional runners that are GOOD, there is still now way that any of them does low-carb. Like truly low-carb, where you don't eat grains, just meat and veggies and fat.
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Old Fri, Dec-14-07, 13:11
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oops, one more thing... i want to see/hear from a serious/legit runner who does the atkins diet. not a runner who does like a few 5 mile runs here and there, but follows a rigorous training schedule and follows the low-carb diet.
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Old Fri, Dec-14-07, 13:42
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oops, one more thing... i want to see/hear from a serious/legit runner who does the atkins diet. not a runner who does like a few 5 mile runs here and there, but follows a rigorous training schedule and follows the low-carb diet.


Does it really matter though? Who would you rather look like? The Marathoner or the Sprinter? Personally I think the marathoner body type looks frail, weak and frankly like they're starving...

See attaached pics... Marathoner vs Sprinter
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Old Fri, Dec-14-07, 17:11
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sprinters are way too bulky for me, but I'm female and would rather look like a lean runner than a bulky sprinter. guys usually like bulk.
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Old Sat, Dec-15-07, 00:00
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sprinters are way too bulky for me, but I'm female and would rather look like a lean runner than a bulky sprinter. guys usually like bulk.


Well you're female, so you wouldn't be that bulky. The point is, I think healthy semi-muscular / fit woman look way better than the ultra thin marathon look... A decent example of a fit / semi-muscular woman is the brunette on The Biggest Loser... Her name escapes me right now...
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Old Sat, Dec-15-07, 12:02
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I think most long distance runners look emaciated..you couldn't scoop a cup of muscle off of them.

Long distance running eats up to much of your precious muscle tissue..it is way to catabolic of an excercise.
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Old Mon, Dec-17-07, 14:31
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I agree with the original poster in that you need carbs for energy just because i picture every single runner i've ever seen at the front of a race starting line, professional or amateur, and i truly doubt that any single one of them does low carb. I know professionals do way harder workouts, but even the non-professional runners that are GOOD, there is still now way that any of them does low-carb. Like truly low-carb, where you don't eat grains, just meat and veggies and fat.


Ok, I'm one. I use to race mid-distance on a extremely low carb atkins style diet, meat, veggies and fat, that is all. For training I would avg. about 50-60 miles per week. I was quite successful and won almost every race I did. I had to stop racing for other health reasons but plan to start racing again this season, again on a low carb diet. It is more than possible, and I think you would be surprised how many low carb runners there are
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Old Mon, Dec-17-07, 14:41
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Ok, I'm one. I use to race mid-distance on a extremely low carb atkins style diet, meat, veggies and fat, that is all. For training I would avg. about 50-60 miles per week. I was quite successful and won almost every race I did. I had to stop racing for other health reasons but plan to start racing again this season, again on a low carb diet. It is more than possible, and I think you would be surprised how many low carb runners there are


what were you health reasons for having to stop running?
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Old Mon, Dec-17-07, 14:59
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what were you health reasons for having to stop running?



I didn't stop running I still run about 35 miles per week, plus cycle quite a bit and lift weights consistantly. I had to stop racing because I have crohn's disease (hence why I am on a low carb diet it is the only way I can attempt to be in remission) The anaerobic pressure of racing was too much stress on my system and thus started being problematic.

I am hopefully at a point that I can start up again for this up coming season, the point is that I was a top runner on a diet on 10-20 carbs/day sometimes less
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Old Mon, Dec-17-07, 15:08
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Does it really matter though? Who would you rather look like? The Marathoner or the Sprinter? Personally I think the marathoner body type looks frail, weak and frankly like they're starving...

See attaached pics... Marathoner vs Sprinter



Man I wish I could look like the sprinter, that is my goal, sadly I look more like a slightly skinnier version of the girl marathoner
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Old Tue, Feb-12-08, 07:13
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Man I wish I could look like the sprinter, that is my goal, sadly I look more like a slightly skinnier version of the girl marathoner


There's a lesson. The sprinter trains high intensity, short bouts. The long distance runner trains low intensity, long bouts.
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