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Old Sat, Aug-04-07, 17:33
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My point was that fatty liver normally attacks alcoholics and obese people, both of which the man WAS NOT in the movie. That's all.. No reason to get all excited about it.
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Old Tue, Aug-07-07, 09:36
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Actually, you can get fatty liver from too much fructose, which may be what happened to Spurlock, since he was consuming tons of soda.

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Robert Lustig: That's correct. And then the last thing that fructose does in the liver is it initiates an enzyme called Junk one, and Junk one has been shown by investigators at Harvard Medical School basically is the inflammation pathway and when you initiate Junk one what happens is that your insulin receptor in your liver stops working. It's phosphorylated in a way that basically inactivates it, serum phosphorylation it's called and when your insulin receptor doesn't work in your liver that means your insulin levels all over your body have to rise. And when that happens basically you're going to interfere with normal brain metabolism of the insulin signal which is part of this leptin phenomenon I mentioned before. It's also going to increase the amount of insulin at the adipocyte storing more energy. And you put all of this together and basically you've got a feed forward system of increased insulin, increased liver fat, liver deposition of fat, increased inflammation -- you end up with non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. You end up with your inability to see your leptin and so you consume more fructose and you've now got a viscious cycle out of control.

In fact fructose, because of the way it's metabolised, is actually damaging your liver the same way alcohol is. In fact it's the exact same pathway, in fact fructose is alcohol without the buzz.

Norman Swan: So this is the obesity related fatty liver disease that people talk about?

Robert Lustig: Exactly.


http://www.abc.net.au/rn/healthrepo...007/1969924.htm

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Old Thu, Aug-09-07, 20:20
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In fact fructose, because of the way it's metabolised, is actually damaging your liver the same way alcohol is. In fact it's the exact same pathway, in fact fructose is alcohol without the buzz.


Wow, I didn't know that. Do you have to eat a whole lot of fruit for this damage to occur? Someone alert the fruitarians! (No wait...don't)
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Old Thu, Aug-09-07, 20:25
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I have never seen that movie Now I have to thanks
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Old Fri, Aug-10-07, 10:07
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Wow, I didn't know that. Do you have to eat a whole lot of fruit for this damage to occur? Someone alert the fruitarians! (No wait...don't)


The doctors said that regular fruit wasn't really a problem. The fiber and water content prevent eating too much normally and slows the uptake of the fructose. Dried fruit, purees and juices are a real problem, though, because the fructose is much more concentrated. Apple sauce, in particular, was singled out. Fruit sugar is normally about 50% fructose but apples have twice as much fructose as other sugars.
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Old Sat, Aug-11-07, 10:11
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Thanks Arc, that makes sense. I can eat a ton of applesauce, or drink apple juice all day long. Well, I used to anyway. I used to eat tons of dried apricots too...but I couldn't sit around and eat the same amount of regular apricots in one sitting.
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ur not gonna get sick if u EAT mccdonald's once a month--or every once in a great while---the dude in the movie ate it every day for every meal for 30 days straight-----------of course noone knew exactly what the results would be---(EVERYONE KNEW IT WASNT GONNA BE GOOD THOUGH) BECAUSE NOONE IS THAT STUPID AS TO EAT IT EVERYDAY FOR EVERY MEAL--------EVEN THE FATTEST PIG IN THE WORLD DOESNT GO TO MCCDONALD'S EVERYDAY FOR EVERY MEAL-----CMON THE MOVIE IS STUPID---


i used to go eat McD 3 or 4 times a day during half a year i guess...the only thing that happened was candida overgrowth cuz of the sugar, other than that...i did not die.

after that i went vegan to maintain my condition...and then turned to no carb diet...currently i am searching for a perfct diet for me...researching
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Old Fri, Feb-22-08, 14:13
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Half way, his doctor told him if he continued like this, he would die. He told him that because of fatty liver disease. That's what prompted his doctor to tell him to stop immediately or he will die.

Fatty liver disease is not caused by dietary fat. It is caused solely by eating carbs, especially fructose in the form of high fructose corn syrup. He was drinking his cola every day in large quantities. Cola contains 50% HFCS.
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