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Old Sun, May-13-07, 18:30
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Plan: SBD->atkins twist->paleo
Stats: 274/000/160 Female 5'6"
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Progress: 240%
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You make a good point, Dierdra. I certainly think that there are times when suggesting a person change plan could be good advice. The point I wanted to make, though, was not about changing plan but about advice that didn't take the nature of the person's plan into consideration.

"You need to eat more fat so you won't feel hungry" is not very helpful to a person on SBD.

However, if the person is clearly struggling on SBD and has been for some time, something like this could be helpful: "Perhaps SBD is not working very well for you because it tends to have a lower fat content than other plans and fat is what satiates you so you don't feel hungry all the time. You might want to consider switching to a higher fat program like Atkins or even Fatkins <insert link to explanation of Fatkins>. While SBD works great for some people, personally I found that Fatkins works much better for me."

The first quote just confuses people trying to follow a plan, the second quote provides useful information about alternatives.

I hope that clarifies my point a little.

Emma



And just to add a point for arguments sake ...there are many foods on SBD that are high in fat to satisy hunger.....nuts, eggs, avocados, olives....granted that they are all portion controlled except for the eggs...but we do get to eat good fats too!!
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Old Sun, May-13-07, 19:11
Aeryn Aeryn is offline
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Plan: Atkins! (Maintenance)
Stats: 178/147.6/145 Female 5'8"
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Wow, Emma! This is such a great list. It should be required reading before posting, lol! It also shows what a thoughtful person you are.

Anyway, I just wanted to ask about one particular part of your excellent post:

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A careful reading of points 1) and 2) will also help to ring the necessary alarm bells about whether the person needs to be on a weight loss diet at all.


This seems to me to be an almost impossible judgment to make with any accuracy unless you actually have seen the person and know what size their frame is. Don't you think? I'm constantly amazed, actually, when I run across members here who are my height and are trying to get down to 130 (I would be skin and bones!) or who are my height and whose goal weight is about where I started (I felt so fat at that weight!). The moral of the story being -- we all carry weight differently. So, generally when I am surprised by someone's height in conjunction with their current weight and their ultimate goal weight, I simply conclude that they must be built differently. It would be really discouraging and frustrating to me, for instance, if someone whose goal weight was 160 started dismissing my pleas for help because she thought I was just fine for my height!

I think you probably mean that we should be on the alert for people who might have become addicted to the diet -- but I just thought I'd throw this caution out there.

Thanks again for the fabulous list!
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Old Sun, May-13-07, 19:39
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Judynyc Judynyc is offline
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Plan: SBD->atkins twist->paleo
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Progress: 240%
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almost impossible judgment to make with any accuracy unless you actually have seen the person and know what size their frame is. Don't you think? I'm constantly amazed, actually, when I run across members here who are my height and are trying to get down to 130 (I would be skin and bones!) or who are my height and whose goal weight is about where I started (I felt so fat at that weight!). The moral of the story being -- we all carry weight differently. So, generally when I am surprised by someone's height in conjunction with their current weight and their ultimate goal weight, I simply conclude that they must be built differently. It would be really discouraging and frustrating to me, for instance, if someone whose goal weight was 160 started dismissing my pleas for help because she thought I was just fine for my height!


When I see a person like this...I ask them about their frame size...I also ask them if they have seen an actual ideal weight chart and know what the range of "healthy weight" is for their height and age.

I can tell you that there are many who qualify as having an eating disorder based on their weight and height and what they are trying to get to weigh. They may not be aware of it and if they are, will probably deny it....but IMO, it is vital that we at least try to make them aware of what they are doing.
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Old Sun, May-13-07, 21:25
Aeryn Aeryn is offline
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Okay, Judy, that's some good advice when approaching the sticky issue of asking someone if their goal is realistic or healthy. Thanks for replying!

BTW, wow, it looks like your journey has been really successful -- what an inspiration! I'm off to read your journal!
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Old Mon, May-14-07, 02:05
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Plan: Atkins food, IF 20/4
Stats: 287/238/165 Female 5'7"
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Thank you for the kind words, Aeryn
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This seems to me to be an almost impossible judgment to make with any accuracy unless you actually have seen the person and know what size their frame is. Don't you think? I'm constantly amazed, actually, when I run across members here who are my height and are trying to get down to 130 (I would be skin and bones!) or who are my height and whose goal weight is about where I started (I felt so fat at that weight!). The moral of the story being -- we all carry weight differently. So, generally when I am surprised by someone's height in conjunction with their current weight and their ultimate goal weight, I simply conclude that they must be built differently. It would be really discouraging and frustrating to me, for instance, if someone whose goal weight was 160 started dismissing my pleas for help because she thought I was just fine for my height!

I think you probably mean that we should be on the alert for people who might have become addicted to the diet -- but I just thought I'd throw this caution out there.

Yes, I agree with you wholeheartedly. We certainly aren't in a position to judge whether someone can/should lose weight just from their stats.

I was trying to keep my post as brief as possible, so I used the phrase "ring alarm bells" to try to convey the idea that we need to be aware of this but not jump to conclusions without more information. Perhaps I should have explained it in more detail, just as you have done in your post. Thank you for that!

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The moral of the story being -- we all carry weight differently.


As a person with a fairly high goal weight, I am very aware of the need not to judge others based on their stats, in fact, even though I have quietly worried about the occasional poster, I have never posted a reply raising the issue primarily because I am so very far away from their situation. But I am relieved when someone wiser, smaller and better with words does raise it.

Actually, now that I think about it more, it's not the stats themselves that concern me. It's a combination of stats and what the person says about the approach to eating. Sometimes one gets the impression that this is not just about achieving and maintaining a healthy weight any more.

Anyway, I've rambled on a bit too much now and this topic is probably deserving of its own thread. It's a very sensitive point and one that must be approached with great care and understanding of different people, different bodies and different minds.

Emma
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Old Thu, May-17-07, 19:17
thirteenlb thirteenlb is offline
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What a great thread. I wonder if this could be made a sticky?
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Old Tue, Aug-21-07, 21:52
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It seems like a good time now to bump this thread.

I should also have included as the first point in the second section of my OP:

0) Always show respect - no matter how recently someone started LCing, how many books they have/haven't read or how surprising their question, as a human being they still deserve your respect just as much as you deserve theirs.
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Old Wed, Aug-22-07, 07:11
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Plan: atkins
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OH MY I SECOND the advice just given!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old Wed, Aug-22-07, 07:18
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Plan: Atkins (veteran)
Stats: 321/206.2/160 Female 5'4"
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Progress: 71%
Location: Niagara Falls, ON
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Fantastic advice...

always temper your advice with the 'you might want to try' and the 'has worked for me, ymmv...' lines... Good stuff, Emma.
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Old Fri, Apr-20-18, 06:31
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EmmaB, thank you.
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