I'm a "MacMurderer"!!!! LMAO!!

Not a chance! Unless of course you stop challenging the status quo. Otherwise every keyboard mistake (professioanl) is fair game by those who can't come up with a better argument. ;-)

Kaypeeoh, people have. And have been ignored.

I'm a he, if that makes any difference [cue increased abuse!]. Piet is Dutch for Pete. Not a skiled [sic] writer? I don't protest being called names, call all you like KyrasDad, I'm hard, I can take it. But as for not a skiled writer, I'm actually an editor, copy writer, proofreader, and being freelance now for 25 years, I'm just glad no clients have noticed something it took you only moments to spot! What is this, a style exam? If I had realised my writing skills were to be challenged by someone more skilled I would have made more of an effort to compose perfect sentences. It all sounds a bit trivial though, as if you don't have any real arguments so resort to name calling and petty nit piicking.
Being sensitive to animal suffering isn't, despite what you claim, a religion. And I don't practise it religiously either, perhaps too many Peta people have upset you and oversensitized you. But one can honestly hold nutritional views as well as views on animal exploitation at the same time with no contradiction. I am capable of arguing on several levels, nothing is simplistic black and white, it's all relative. I notice no one denies the animal suffering that modern farming practice profits by. My argument is with those practises, not with meat eating per se, as I thought I'd made clear already. I once kept chicken and killed them myself.

Oh right, stop challenging the status quo! Mmm. You will note that there were two letters transposed, an easy mistake to make when typing fast, bet you've done it before? I've come up with a number of arguments, but you seem incapable of doing so. I didn't realise this was the spelling nazi board.

I've enjoyed this thread. But my crazy Catholic wife insists on closing up shop early for Good Friday so I'm outta here til tomorrow.

No, anyone who eats that crap is just a mug, and there seem to be quite a few casualties from it here. That reminds me, it wasn't Doc Atkins I was thinking about with the bowel cancer, it was the founder of MacDonalds, one Ray Krok. Look it up if you don't believe me, I have it on very good authority.

There you go! I've entertained someone at least. But Catholic???? I was once one of those, but then I discovered they were lying all along

Sorry about mixing up your gender - honest mistake.

But for someone who came in flaming and calling names, you sure protest when criticisms are made. Perhaps, don't come in calling everyone "mad" or accusing them of lacking willpower, and you'd get a better reception.

As to your writing, I'll drop it. You haven't communicated very well; your first post was nearly unreadable. Good writers tend to write well naturally, although all of us can make mistakes. You are right that it's moot, though, so I'll drop it. Your less than admirable grasp of nutrition and ignoring of valid arguments, though, are harder to ignore.

You make claims that you can't factually back up, or have not tried to. I made a lengthy argument with your assertation that meat was what causes obesity; an argument you ignored. Correcting your factual inaccuracy isn't petty nit picking. Ignoring valid arguments and focusing on those who returned the mud flinging you started is not going to help your credibility.

The religion angle is interesting because I don't go to other diet websites to evangelize for or against their style. That is something a religious person would do. That seems to be what you are doing.

So - care to actually address your dubious assertation that meat causes obesity in some vaguely factual manner?

Nobody who low carbs is eating much of anything from McDonald's. At least, though, we can ignore you when whine about personal attacks as you continue to dispense them in most everything you write.

Question: what do you think low carbing is? What do you think our menus look like? Have you done any research at all on low carb? Read any books? Any studies? Anything?

I'm curious because you do not seem to have much grasp of low carb. Are you depending on newspaper articles or things you've heard? Ignorance is never a good place from which to start an argument.

Thanks for that and treating me with some respect. Perhaps I was a little provocative to begin with, I tend to be like that. Interesting responses nonetheless, even if some have been off the wall. My serious point regarding the impression I got when first I discovered the board was valid, but a little shallow perhaps. I have, yes honestly, learned some stuff here; about carbs, about attitudes, about how people cope with things in their lives. And I'm sorry if \I've offended anyone, I am a bit of a maverick, and my sense of humour is not always appreciated. But I'm still finding difficulty with this word addictive.
Wikipedia says this [and sums up what I would have said, but I'm lazy tonight]:
Decades ago addiction was a pharmacologic term that clearly referred to the use of a tolerance-inducing drug in sufficient quantity as to cause tolerance (the requirement that greater dosages of a given drug be used to produce an identical effect as time passes). With that definition, humans (and indeed all mammals) can become addicted to various drugs quickly. Almost at the same time, a lay definition of addiction developed. This definition referred to individuals who continued to use a given drug despite their own best interest. This latter definition is now thought of as a disease state by the medical community.
However, not all doctors agree on what addiction or dependency is, because traditionally, addiction has been defined as being possible only to a psychoactive substance (for example alcohol, tobacco and other drugs) which ingested cross the blood-brain barrier, altering the natural chemical behavior of the brain temporarily. Many people, both psychology professionals and laypersons, now feel that there should be accommodation made to include psychological dependency on such things as gambling, food, sex, pornography, computers, work, exercise, cutting, and shopping / spending. However, these are things or tasks which, when used or performed, cannot cross the blood-brain barrier and hence, do not fit into the traditional view of addiction. Symptoms mimicking withdrawal may occur with abatement of such behaviors; however, it is said by those who adhere to a traditionalist view that these withdrawal-like symptoms are not strictly reflective of an addiction, but rather of a behavioral disorder. In spite of traditionalist protests and warnings that overextension of definitions may cause the wrong treatment to be used (thus failing the person with the behavioral problem), popular media, and some members of the field, do represent the aforementioned behavioral examples as addictions.
Another admission. No I have absolutely no idea what it feels like to crave the things that people here have mentioned. Which in no way means I accept they are addicted, just an admission of my lack of experience of this facet of human behaviour.

Piet:

If you'll break that up into paragraphs with a little white space, I would be willing to read it.

Kay

Yeah right! Come walk in my shoes for 30days and tell me it is my willpower that is lacking! Your funny! Do you tell a alcoholic he just needs more will power?


Yeah I am sure you are a editor, it amazes me how many people say they are a professional "such and such" when they get picked on.

Maybe you should stick to your "editing" and let the doctors do there own work! P.S. Read the book!

I'm not whining about personal attacks, how many more times. Attack all you like, I am not thin skinned. And that wasn't a personal attack anyway, to say some here are casualties of fast food, when many have stated exactly that!


Nope. I did get the impression that the site generally was down on carbohydrates, less is better kind of thing. Which is a choice the rich world can make, but not the poor. As for books etc. my view is more to do with how hominids have evolved and what they've eaten during those millenia rather than the theories of someone wanting to sell books.

Agreed, I don't. And I must plead guilty on all counts. I have little knowledge of 'low-carb' other than what I've read here. My son in law tried Atkins for a few weeks and despite being a meat lover dropped it as worthless. So much for my personal experience. If, as seems the case, the argument is more to do with refined foods, then I'm with you. I eat unrefined food. But I also eat lots of potatoes, bread, pasta, rice, you know, the staples, which was what I thought you were all against.
Rich fatty meat sauce puts more weight on than the pasta it's poured over. I don't drink milk [adults should be weaned] but I must confess I love cheese, so maybe eat that twice a week.

Ray Kroc died of heart failure at age 81. Who is your good authority?