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Old Wed, Feb-28-07, 14:49
kebaldwin kebaldwin is offline
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Default Top Supplements for Blood Sugar Support

This was an e-mail advertisement that was sent to me -- so I stripped out the ad stuff and just included the technical stuff to see who had comments about these supplements?

Doctor's Best Best Benfotiamine

Chromium

Cinnamon

Fenugreek Seed

GlucoTrimŽ (Lagerstroemia speciosa L.extract standardized to 1% corosolic acid

Aloe vera (Concentrated 200:1)(ACTIValoeT)

Gymnema sylvestre Leaf Extract (5:1)

Grapefruit Pectin Complex (Yielding approximately 37% pectin)
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Old Wed, Feb-28-07, 14:53
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I know that the Cinnamon should be water-soluble
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Old Wed, Feb-28-07, 15:53
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Where is the ALA?? that is the supreme supp for blood sugar..
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Old Thu, Mar-01-07, 07:23
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Default With or without LC?

In my experience, the biggest problem with blood sugar is sugar itself. Give it up and add exercise, and my body has become pretty darn good at stabilizing. That's why I have a liver. It's glucagon's job to create blood sugar when we need it, and if we step out of the way, it works.

Glucagon works better on a three-meals, no snacks program, so that may be a missing element. If you keep eating, you keep stimulating insulin release, and glucagon won't kick out until a couple of hours after insulin.

Suspect the ad didn't mention that giving up carbs might obviate the need for the supplements. Some supplement people are just as bad as big pharma at not telling the fullest truth.
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Old Thu, Mar-01-07, 08:19
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These two are a great help for blood sugar.

Vinegar (2 tbls) before a meal
EGCG (Green tea)
Resveratrol
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Old Thu, Mar-01-07, 08:27
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I highly recommend GTF Chromium, cinnamon, gymnema sylvestre, apple cider vinegar (ACV), and vitamin D for sugar control.

JMO, I don't believe cinnamon should be water soluable to be effective. Cinnamon is naturally not water soluable.

ACV, aloe vera, and betaine acid are great for digestive problems and acid reflux, along with vitamin D of course.

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Old Thu, Mar-01-07, 13:09
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In my experience, the biggest problem with blood sugar is sugar itself. Give it up and add exercise, and my body has become pretty darn good at stabilizing. That's why I have a liver. It's glucagon's job to create blood sugar when we need it, and if we step out of the way, it works.

Glucagon works better on a three-meals, no snacks program, so that may be a missing element. If you keep eating, you keep stimulating insulin release, and glucagon won't kick out until a couple of hours after insulin.

Suspect the ad didn't mention that giving up carbs might obviate the need for the supplements. Some supplement people are just as bad as big pharma at not telling the fullest truth.

my liver barely works...so I want to help it out...I think it is healing now with no sugar to kill it
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Old Thu, Mar-01-07, 15:46
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I know that the Cinnamon should be water-soluble


I think she meant the water-extracted Cinnulin PF

http://www.purecaps.com/PDF/pi/Cinnulin_PF.pdf
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Old Thu, Mar-01-07, 16:27
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WOW, I just read this today -

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In the U.S., Cinnulin PF is the only water-soluble cinnamon extract ingredient standardized for the recognized active component in cinnamon, double-linked Type-A Polymers. Despite USDA studies showing the health benefits of cinnamon, researchers note that when consumed consistently or in high doses, whole cinnamon and fat-soluble extracts may be toxic. Cinnulin PF retains the active components without the potentially harmful compounds, making it completely safe for everyday use.


http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/med...hp?newsid=46243
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Old Thu, Mar-01-07, 18:59
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my liver barely works...so I want to help it out...


Silymarin and N-A-C (N-acetyl cystine).
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Old Thu, Mar-01-07, 20:52
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This scares me! I just purchased some cinnamon and took some today (one gram) it's the NSI brand. I don't want to take it if it's going to be toxic.
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Old Fri, Mar-02-07, 06:43
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Glucagon works better on a three-meals, no snacks program, so that may be a missing element. If you keep eating, you keep stimulating insulin release, and glucagon won't kick out until a couple of hours after insulin.

Can you expand on this? I haven't heard this one before. Everything I've read indicates that eating 5 or 6 small meals per day are better for you.
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Old Fri, Mar-02-07, 06:52
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This scares me! I just purchased some cinnamon and took some today (one gram) it's the NSI brand. I don't want to take it if it's going to be toxic.
It's not going to be toxic. They've done plenty of studies using regular cinnamon with no ill effects.

The amont reguired to be toxic is huge.

MO, It's just one of those arguments to cost consumers more money by turning something cheap into a more expensive, patentable product.
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Old Fri, Mar-02-07, 08:17
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Notice that the patented version didn't really affect the important blood sugar measurement.
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Changes in HbA1c and lipid profiles were not statistically significant.
The A1c is THE important measurement for blood sugar control.
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Old Fri, Mar-02-07, 09:29
Zuleikaa Zuleikaa is offline
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Notice that the patented version didn't really affect the important blood sugar measurement.
The A1c is THE important measurement for blood sugar control.
Yeah, and I meant to say that often the patented version...which takes a component(s) of the base supplement/food often is less effective than the base.

As we've often said here, having some effect versus a placebo means nothing. Put the new drug up against optimum dose of the standard grouped or individual supplement.

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