Thyroslim (AM/PM) ... by MHP ... don't pay over $30 for it.

Thanks, Dan

I discovered something today while doing some independant research, CLA is being used to supplement for thyroid deficiencies? This came as a suprize; I have been taking CLA for a few weeks but for other reasons. I will look into Thyroslim (would that be 30$ US or canadian? )

Nat

I wasn't aware of CLA and it's use in the treatment of thyroid deficincy. What is the doseage listed in the study?

The only drawback to the orginal fat loss properties of CLA was that the dose was somewhere around 10g per day of I remember correctly, and that just makes it cost prohbitive for most.

The $30 was U.S. Sorry, I always forget that this is a Candian board ...

Figures, I cant find the damned article this morning I will resume my search later. I am certain though that I saw this.

On average how long does it take to start noticing the effects of an ECA stack? My body temp on rising was 97.4, this is a good degree above what it's been in the past week ( averaging between 95.7 - 96.3). I'm at 1/2 the recommended dose for now and I plan on staying there for a few weeks. I was unable to get to sleep until 11:30 ish last night, unheard of for me. I sleep now like the dead and w/in 10 minutes of hitting the pillow.

N

Guggulbolic. I just started the CKD yesterday and wanted to get your opinion on the effectiveness of Adipo and Guggul together...or is taking Adipo by itself just as good? Or, is there something better out there? I want something to help burn the fact and provide an energy boost. I have a good cardio/workout plan in place and want to go from 18%bf down to about 10% or so.

I have read many of your posts and respect your opinion and feedback! Thanks.

They are both great products ... to use them effectively, I will dig up a post I gave a while back on the proper use of an ECA stack (well, adipoK is technically a NYC stack: norephedrine, yohimbine, and caffeine ... but stilll falls in the same category as ECA's) ...

First, you need to check your body temperature FIRST THING in the morning. That means as soon as you wake up.

If it's under 97.8, start taking Guggullipids and phosphates to
stimulate thyroid activity.

Once you get your AM temperature above 97.8, cruise there for a while. Keep doing your diet and exercsie plans as you normally do. Keep taking your morning temperature. It's important because it will show you when your thyroid adjusts to your supplements.

The first time that your temperature falls below 97.8 for three days straight, stop taking guggul and start taking AdipoK. Work yourself up to taking doses 3x day. Add in 3g of fish oil caps per day at this point. Remember to keep taking your AM temperature.

If when it drops again, switch back to guggul.

I've come across a lot of comments of late about cycling your ECA stack. The gist is that it's actually not a good idea to cycle an ECA stack because once your body gets accustomed to it and you no longer exhibit the symptoms (that aggitated or hyper quality), this is when it is actually working best at burning fat.

Any comments?

Nat

It has been stated that the ECA stack exhibits greater fat buring potential the longer you stay on ... however, if your thyroid senses that you are "wasting away" it will attempt to maintain homeostasis by slowing down production of the thyroid hormones, no matter how much ephedrine you take. Once it slows down (indicated by a lower morning temperature for 3 days straight) you need to get it going again, which is what the guggulipids and phosphates do.

In the example I gave above, it may look as if we are cycling on and off ECA very quickly, however, the changes in lower thyroid activity could takes weeks or months, IF AT ALL.

Thanks for the quick reply, Dan

N

Thanks for the quick response. You guys are a great source of information for this guy who has read and done....BFLife Plan, MuscleMedia articles, Muscle and Fitness, Protein Power, etc. It gets somewhat confusing after awhile...so thanks for supplying quick and "right on" responses.

There are two sides to every story, Goblins. Here's my contribution:

http://www.drumlib.com/dp/000006F.htm
and from our own TrainderDan: http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthre...=&threadid=6744

Nat

For every article of support, there is one to negate....
LC is good for you - no LC is bad for you...

The truth of the matter is that I've had nothing but positive results with LC... and the only problem I had with ECA stacking was some brief depression (from the Ma Huang, I believe.)

I think that no one really knows the truth, and it really only matters what you want to believe. Do you believe the skeptics or are you a true believer? =)

What's best for you is probably what will work for you....

But we can't make good decisions without all the facts. Thanks for the "flip-side"....