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Old Thu, Jan-12-06, 10:09
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Hi Nancy,

I don't mean to butt in here but I wanted to suggest to you for intestinal healing -look into SLIPPERY ELM BARK POWDER.

I had to take medication (for years) before eating so not to irratated my intestines and now I'm OFF the medication.

I use it as a tea and it has done wonders for healing.

Be Well,
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Interesting! I will give it a try.
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Old Thu, Jan-12-06, 10:23
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Thanks Kevin,

Sadly, BOTH places are OUT OF STOCK at the moment. Just my luck

But I will keep an eye on it.

Nikki
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Old Thu, Jan-12-06, 10:42
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Thanks Kevin,

Sadly, BOTH places are OUT OF STOCK at the moment. Just my luck

But I will keep an eye on it.

Nikki


when I get some time, my plans are to order some bulk coconut and mill it in my food processer very fine and try that as opposed to the flour and note the comparisons.
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Old Fri, Jan-13-06, 03:35
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when I get some time, my plans are to order some bulk coconut and mill it in my food processer very fine and try that as opposed to the flour and note the comparisons.


Just a quick note on the fly, Kevin; I've milled the dessicated regular coconut (87% fat per the USDA etc.) and it will quickly turn to a paste, because of that high fat content. Might try carefully pulsing it, but I suspect the same will occur.

ps: finally got the process specifics out of Wilderness Family Naturals, it is defatted to some extent as evidenced by the Nutrition Facts, will post more details tomorrow, I hope... got to get some zzzzz...sssss.
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Old Fri, Jan-13-06, 03:40
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Just a quick note on the fly, Kevin; I've milled the dessicated regular coconut (87% fat per the USDA etc.) and it will quickly turn to a paste, because of that high fat content. Might try carefully pulsing it, but I suspect the same will occur.

ps: finally got the process specifics out of Wilderness Family Naturals, it is defatted to some extent as evidenced by the Nutrition Facts, will post more details tomorrow, I hope... got to get some zzzzz...sssss.


wonder if that goes for the dehydrated also?
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Old Fri, Jan-13-06, 13:09
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wonder if that goes for the dehydrated also?


Eh? referring to the dessicated (regular) or the Coconut 'Flour'?

FYI, dessicated is the same as dehydrated. And it's supposed to be unaltered except for the drying, so it'll still be the high fat natural product...
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Old Fri, Jan-13-06, 15:16
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Eh? referring to the dessicated (regular) or the Coconut 'Flour'?

FYI, dessicated is the same as dehydrated. And it's supposed to be unaltered except for the drying, so it'll still be the high fat natural product...


The unsweetened dehydrated coconut flakes from Wilderness Family Naturals says 18g. total fat and that sound like less than what you had said.

it says on package our raw coconut flakes are never heated. Unlike dessicated cocnut which is dried in ovens, these flakes are dehydratedat low tempertures (98 degrees F)
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Old Sat, Jan-14-06, 12:29
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I mill my dessicated coconut without any real difficulty - it is inclined to gum up a wee bit and clump occasionally, but it still gets fine enough for me. I'm not sure what the fat content is and the pack I buy is wholesale, so I can't check until I buy it again. But I'll post the info when I get a chance to check it out.
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Old Sun, Jan-15-06, 03:25
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The unsweetened dehydrated coconut flakes from Wilderness Family Naturals says 18g. total fat and that sound like less than what you had said.

it says on package our raw coconut flakes are never heated. Unlike dessicated cocnut which is dried in ovens, these flakes are dehydratedat low tempertures (98 degrees F)


sounds a bit like semantics to me... dehydrated means water removed, dessicated means water removed...whether they apply heat or not (which sounds like a good thing, don't get me wrong) is a definite bonus and marketing angle. As for the fat content, 18g of fat per what serving size? If it's the 1 ounce serving size, that's only 28g, and 18/28g is ... um.... 65%. I can see some variation, I'm just going with the pretty reliable USDA numbers.

Meanwhile, here's the text of an email I finally got back from Wilderness re the Coconut Flour (NOT the dehydrated raw coconut flakes), remember we were trying to sort out the differences between Coconut Flour and raw unaltered (except for drying) coconut:

Dear Jude:

It is a raw dehydrated flour that is moslty fiber about 58% fiber, the coconut oil has been pressed out leaving only about 14% Coconut oil. Please read the link providied for you: http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals...conut_flour.htm

Thank-you for your interest,

Roxana Lopez - VP. of Sales & Marketing
roxana~wildernessfamilynaturals.com
1-800-945-3801 or 1-218-226-3985
www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com

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It is made from fresh coconut meat."

So. Simply Coconut and Wilderness Family Naturals both use a 'flour' meal product to make Coconut Flour, after much of the Coconut Oil has been removed. Nuts4U does not, they are selling regular dried coconut, somewhat finely ground but not as finely as the others, as Coconut Flour...but it ain't. Much higher relative fat and lower relative fiber content.

Be cautious folks, that good price at Nuts4U is NOT the 58% fiber etc. product.
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Old Sun, Jan-15-06, 15:14
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Coincedence! Today I made the no sugar coconut muffins from the recipe found on page 58 of the Bruce Fife recipe book.

They are very good, but not quite like a traditional flour muffin - they are more dense, more moist, almost like a brownie - but delicious!

I've been reading this thread and can't quite figure out the difference between the various "coconut flours" except for fat and fiber content, am I right?

I used the coconut flour from Wilderness Naturals. It has a nice smooth texture and mild coconut flavor - not spongey like other low carb baked goods. (I cannot stand that spongey texture)

From a carb count perspective - which of these coconut flours would be lowest in carbs?

...and what I gather is that you are trying to determine whether an advertised coconut flour is simply ground coconut meat, or ground coconut meat that has had some of the oil pressed and removed from it?

Is that it?

Thanks! Barefoot
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Old Sun, Jan-15-06, 16:28
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So. Simply Coconut and Wilderness Family Naturals both use a 'flour' meal product to make Coconut Flour, after much of the Coconut Oil has been removed. Nuts4U does not, they are selling regular dried coconut, somewhat finely ground but not as finely as the others, as Coconut Flour...but it ain't. Much higher relative fat and lower relative fiber content.

Be cautious folks, that good price at Nuts4U is NOT the 58% fiber etc. product.



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I've been reading this thread and can't quite figure out the difference between the various "coconut flours" except for fat and fiber content, am I right?


Yes.
The Simply Coconut and Wilderness Family Naturals are the lower net carbs.......Nuts4U has much less fiber thus higher net carbs.

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I gather is that you are trying to determine whether an advertised coconut flour is simply ground coconut meat, or ground coconut meat that has had some of the oil pressed and removed from it?

Is that it?


yes.
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Old Sun, Jan-15-06, 16:59
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Thanks Kevin. Have you tried both types from Wilderness and Simply Coconut?

I wonder how they compare in taste and texture.

Also, buyer beware with Wilderness, I had a shipping problem with an order from there that took a long while to get resolved.


Thanks, Barefoot
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Old Sun, Jan-15-06, 18:01
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no Wilderness is the only I have tried but I didnt have any shipping problem as a matter of fact I had my order in 3 days.
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Old Sun, Jan-15-06, 18:27
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Kevin gotta laugh at your cute pup. Our dog eats low carb too (Innova EVO)
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Old Mon, Jan-16-06, 02:25
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From a carb count perspective - which of these coconut flours would be lowest in carbs?

...and what I gather is that you are trying to determine whether an advertised coconut flour is simply ground coconut meat, or ground coconut meat that has had some of the oil pressed and removed from it?

Barefoot


Barefoot, that was me trying to determine whether an advertised coconut flour IS simply ground dried Coconut meat (which is STILL low in net carbs, but much higher in fat and lower in fiber by weight) or Coconut "Flour".

As for which of the two that actually ARE Coconut Flour, here's the Nutrition Facts panel provided by Kevin (earlier in this thread) for Wilderness Family Naturals, and the one I lifted from the web for Simply Coconut...you can judge for yourself which you want...

Wilderness Family Naturals High Fiber Coconut Flour (3 net per 50g rounded)



Simply Coconut High Fiber Coconut Flour (1 net per 14g rounded)



Makes it a LITTLE tough to compare, eh? ... the different "serving sizes".



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