My son and I are following the hunter-gatherer diet and although he eats way more carbs (good carbs) than I do he is losing weight faster than I am. Age, sex and medical condition plays a role in weight loss, but the important thing is to eat healthy regardless. I am so glad my son is eating this way even though he doesn't have to because in the long run his health will definitely benefit.

And the kids haven't had the decades it takes for a good, solid case of insulin resistance to set in.

Actually, Tamarian, John Stone is a full time network administrator who's been working out for just the past year and a half. He follows a fairly intense regimen (cardio 7x a week and weights 3x, for about 30 mins per session) but he's hardly a professional athlete. Nor does he appear to be selling anything.

Training intense cardio 7 times a week by itself would fit the schedule of an athlete, let alone the extra weight lifting.

So you essentially proved my point. Entensive exercise lifestyle will help you lose weight, regardless of what you eat.

Wa'il

An athlete, perhaps, depending upon your definition. Not a professional athlete, by a long shot, as you implied earlier. So have you retracted your original point, which I understood was to dismiss John Stone because he was a "professional bodybuilder" who "trained full time"?

A professional athlete, is not like a professional in general. We work 9 hours a day, but a boxer cannot box 9 hours a day to be a professional boxer. They have physical limits...

In any case, my point is that gruiling, intense exercise will cause weight loss, no mater what diet you follow.

I don't dismiss any athlete's program. If it works for them, that's great.

I dismiss the notion that the diet of an athlete is the right diet for the rest of us, who don't follow the same intense routines they follow.

They can eat cup cakes all day, and still lose weight. An average person cannot expect the same results, unless they match their exercise intensity.

That does not prove the merit of their diet. It's proves the merit of their exercise.

Wa'il

Your original dismissal was too harsh. It's easier, I suppose, to state that a person's diet isn't applicable to the general population if he's a professional athlete. But this guy's just a casual athlete, who hasn't been at it for all that long. Professional athletes, by definition, earn a living from their athleticism, and they generally work out a lot more than 1/2 an hour a day. 1/2 an hour a day is not really out of reach of the general population, is it?

As to your other point - I agree that exercise is an important component of weight loss, as is diet. I reject your argument that training just 1/2 an hour a day gives you license to eat cupcakes all day. John Stone's results don't just show the merit of his exercise - they show the merit of his overall approach. How applicable that is to you is something each person can decide for themselves.

You obviously have not read my post carefully, as I have not dismissed it harshly at all, I didn't even mention him. Just the phenomenon that is spreading all over the net.

In any case, the site's name is john stone's fitness, and the routine described is very intense. If you can't see that, then I can't help you.

I would love to be able to workout intensly more than once a day, but my schedule does not allow that. For those who have the time and inclination, I wish them good luck. But they can't presume it's their eating habits that caused such weight loss, it's the exercise. Pure and simple.

Wa'il

Well this thread is titled advantages of LC over john stone, and the replies had been addressing john stone's diet in particular. So if we assume you were speaking in general, your original post is rather off topic.

The title implies a comparison between two different diets. By close examination, it is a comparison between an intense exercise program, vs. a low-carb diet.

If you don't get the point that intense exercise has a distinct, seperate effect, unrelated to food intake, then you have not even inderstood the topic, let alone what is off-topic.

Wa'il

Nobody suggested that John Stone's eating habits were solely responsible for his weight loss. But I'm pretty sure that his diet had something to do with it, too.

Most posters in this thread, myself included, understood the topic to be about diet. You're the only one who brought up the intense exercise bit. Maybe the fact that English isn't your first language causes you to interpret things differently.

I personally respect your opinion if you think exercise has nothing to do with it, or that it's just a minor factor, but trust me, language has nothing to do with it. Most posters here can grasp that point, IMHO.

Wa'il

I think tamarian made an excellent point, not harsh at all!

If we're talking about any weight loss system, it's important to know both the diet and exercise regimen to get a full understanding of it.

Daily cardio is way more than I do, so I sure can't expect to get the same results as someone who does that!

That is a fair statement.