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Old Wed, Aug-22-01, 02:35
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Plan: Atkins,PP - wgt in %
Stats: 100/96.8/69 Female 5'6.5"
BF:DWTK/DDare/JEnuf
Progress: 10%
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
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Week1 Day1 2001-08-21 Tuesday

Regular Lc (Somersizing) * Lcpv1.2

2 whole Shredded Wheat®, Muffets
1 cup skim milk
1 cup yogurt with fruit, nonfat, artificial swee -- Raspberry Flavour
5 servings coffee -- 6 fl oz, black
72 fluid ounces water
2 whole large eggs -- hardboiled
1 1/2 tablespoons mayonnaise
2 ounces macadamia nuts, Dry Roasted, Salted
4 servings coffee, half decaf homesize cup w stevia
1 stick Pepperoni, Dry 'stick'
1 whole large egg -- hardboiled
6 ounces beef eye of round, roasted
1 serving salad, My Usual Dinner
2 tablespoons Dressing, Zesty Italian, Kraft

Calories: 1773
Protein: 103.3 g 23%
Fat: 116 g 58%
Carbs,Fibre: 72.3, 13.4g 19% dang that Suzanne Somers!!

Measurements: not in this lifetime well, not this month anyway.

Weight: 1st thing, AM
before TOM 195
yesterday 190
today 191.5

Activity: Up and down like a yo-yo at work (good thing the printer's the length of the building away); ditto for the ancient dawg to the door at home. Really should do something more, say, structured. Ah well, league 10-pin starts next week, at least I'll be hefting a 12-pounder regularly >grin<

Thoughts:
- Trying the *Somersizing* as a personal experiment; want to see how hard it is (to allow carbs but no fat, e.g.) and if perhaps it will have a positive effect on my stress levels, the perimenopause I've been recently blessed with and the amorphous cravings and stubborn weight gain I've had since I quit smoking (well, the last few months anyway). Have only just started the Somersizing 10 days ago, then (for fun, definitely) I was "blessed" with TOM all of 8 days ago so haven't been weighing myself. A pointless exercise in frustration, weighing myself during TOM.
- the Somersizing feels strange after being an AtKid for so very long. The No-Fat/Hi-Carb meals, though infrequent and restricted to no-fat dairy and unprocessed whole grains, feels heretical in many ways. I will admit to enjoying fruit, tho nothing with it, like whipped cream. Sure blows out the carb count, though... we'll see how it goes.
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Old Wed, Aug-22-01, 04:56
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Holy Smokes! That's what you do on Sommersizing?

You should do a blurb on it for our Low Carb Plans thing.

Karen
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Old Wed, Aug-22-01, 17:45
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Plan: Atkins,PP - wgt in %
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BF:DWTK/DDare/JEnuf
Progress: 10%
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Unhappy you WOULD suggest it.... !

LOL!

I was hoping to avoid that, being WAY behind on some articles on recipe conversion I'm supposed to be writing. Maybe the middle of next week????!!! I *did* post some brief commentary in the LC Plans comparison threads, hoping Wa'il will find it useful.

Aaarrrggghhh.

Still have to get through Volumes 1 and 2, HAVE read Volume 3 (check out the "sugarfree" sweetener and truffles... now available on E-Bay and the Home Shopping network, so I hear. I DO believe they have some sugar alcohols and fructose therein).

If anybody out there has the SomerSweet and/or Truffles, I'd SURELY appreciate a faxed or scanned nutrition & ingredients label... please PM me for the numbers/addresses or click on the logo below and go to my ordering page, there's contact info there.
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Old Wed, Aug-22-01, 18:01
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Plan: Atkins/PP/BFL
Stats: 400/223/200 Male 5 ft 11
BF:37%/17%/12%
Progress: 89%
Location: Ottawa, ON
Default Re: you WOULD suggest it.... !

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Originally posted by IslandGirl
I *did* post some brief commentary in the LC Plans comparison threads, hoping Wa'il will find it useful.


I'd have a hard time finding something you said that wasn't useful!

Wa'il
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Old Thu, Aug-23-01, 00:02
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Plan: Atkins,PP - wgt in %
Stats: 100/96.8/69 Female 5'6.5"
BF:DWTK/DDare/JEnuf
Progress: 10%
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Arrow Week1 Day2 Fat Fast HA! HA!

Fat Fast * Lcpv1.2
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2 ounces macadamia nuts, Dry Roasted, Salted -- 7.3/4.5, 89.3%, 406
1 serving Avocado Salad -- 6.7/1.9,89%, 289
1 tablespoon Cream Cheese, IF Victoria Style -- 0.4/0, 49.5, 88.5%
1 teaspoon cinnamon -- Korinth
1 teaspoon Flax Seed Oil (Omega Nutrition)
2 servings coffee, half decaf homesize cup w cream
4 servings coffee, half decaf homesize cup w stevia
4 servings coffee, brewed
96 fluid ounces water
1 serving Egg Salad Curry -- 257, 1/0.4, 91%
3/4 ounce Chicken Crispies -- 77, 0/0, 26%

Calories: 1180
Protein: 16 g 5.2%
Fat: 120 g 86%
Carbs: 26/8=18 g 8.6%

Activity: the usual work (seated but for the printer runs and moving the car bi-hourly) and a truckload of kitchen stuff and laundry when I got home (definitely not seated). Ouch. Got to get more creative and efficient!

Measurements: not

Weight: 1st thing, AM 191.5 (no change, though that scale is a bust! LOL!)

Thoughts:
- this is harder than I remembered, this Fat Fast. I was incredibly hungry during daylight and sucked back more water than I tracked (gurgle) to keep the noise down
- I'm going to have to bite the bullet and stop kidding myself about the amount of coffee I drink; it's making a significant dent in my carb allowance at the very least, though I like to think I'm immune to the caffeine.... ok, ok, probably not.

Onward Ho!
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Old Thu, Aug-23-01, 00:11
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Plan: Atkins,PP - wgt in %
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BF:DWTK/DDare/JEnuf
Progress: 10%
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Talking Greetings, Wa'il!

How goes it over there?!

Are you not participating in this study? Pardon my nosiness, but I'm curious (I guess I haven't been privy to the discussions that started this whole thing up, probably over that CHEESECAKE! Sigh).

I'm glad you find my comments "useful" eh? LOL!

BTW, what's this rumour about (finally) an LC Gourmet cooking class?? If you get the chance, would you put in a word with our favourite chef for me to get a seat in advance or (even better) let her know I'm willing to be a sous-underchef or whatever? Couldn't think of a better excuse to come on over...

Have a great week, eh?
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Old Thu, Aug-23-01, 20:10
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Plan: Atkins,PP - wgt in %
Stats: 100/96.8/69 Female 5'6.5"
BF:DWTK/DDare/JEnuf
Progress: 10%
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Thumbs up - Week1 Day3

Calorie Boost * Lcpv1.2
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2 servings coffee, half decaf homesize cup w stevia
64 fluid ounces water
breakfast:
2 servings Egg Salad Curry
2 whole lettuce leaves
lunch:
6 ounces cooked pork
3 tablespoons mayonnaise
3 whole lettuce leaves
3 servings coffee, homesize cup 8 fl oz
2 servings coffee, half decaf homesize cup w stevia

dinner and a sweet:
1/2 serving Ice Cream, Coconut (No Dairy)
1 serving Dressing Oil - Chili, Garlic & Toasted Ses
2 lemon wedges
3 cups mixed greens
8 ounces rib steak -- before cooking
2 servings coffee, brewed


Calories: 2367 (target ~ 2470 yikes!)
Protein: 99 g 16%
Fat: 211 g 79%
Carbs: 28.7/5.3=23.4g 4.8%

Activity: the usual work (seated but for the printer runs) and then not much.

Measurements: not

Weight: 1st thing, AM 190 down 1.5 but not getting excited yet, will check the trend at the end of the week, eh?

Thoughts: Had an odd kind of hunger for breakfast, almost "remote" (very strange after yesterday, but maybe yesterday's Fat Fast had this effect). This whole Cal Boost thing was pretty tough to do, I felt terribly full after my meals and actually had to break an anticipated meal into 2 parts and ended up not being hungry enough to tackle the snack (part 2) at my usual hungry time, 4-5pm. THEN! an unexpected dinner invitation meant I had to change the menu on the fly! Panic Stations! A-H00-Ga! Thank heavens I'd set up the Project on my MasterCook AND had finally got my icecream maker on the go. A high-fat non-dairy dessert supplement and portable salad dressing (Thanks Doreen!) was definitely called for if I was to save my Cal Boost day. Ergo, the Coconut Ice Cream recipe and the Dressing Oil. Phew. Going to prep the ice cream goo now and we'll see how it tastes

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Old Fri, Aug-24-01, 00:53
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Plan: Atkins,PP - wgt in %
Stats: 100/96.8/69 Female 5'6.5"
BF:DWTK/DDare/JEnuf
Progress: 10%
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Default - Week1 Day3 "redux"

Well, it looks the same as what I optimistically posted earlier, but a small issue at the restaurant (a shortage on the plate of meat and an overage on the price list {grin}) and an anal moment in my brain about the giant coconut seed and melted butter, have together combined to make me change the menu and ensure the data integrity of my Day 3... Yeah Yeah, I *DO* go one some, don't I??

Never Mind. Here's the ACTUAL Day 3 results (and I'm leaving the old one up there as an object lesson to me in overweening optimism!

Calorie Boost day: * Lcpv1.2
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2 servings coffee, half decaf homesize cup w stevia
76 fluid ounces water
breakfast:
2 servings Egg Salad Curry
2 whole lettuce leaves
lunch:
6 ounces cooked pork
3 tablespoons mayonnaise
3 whole lettuce leaves
3 servings coffee, homesize cup 8 fl oz
2 servings coffee, half decaf homesize cup w stevia
dinner and a sweet:
1 serving Egg Salad Curry
1 serving Dressing Oil - Chili, Garlic & Toasted Ses
2 lemon wedges
4 cups mixed greens
5 ounces pork tenderloin
3 ounces green beans
3 tablespoons au jus gravy
1/2 serving espresso coffee
1 serving coffee, half decaf homesize cup w stevia
1 tablespoon butterscotch flax seed oil


Calories: 2321 (target ~ 2470 yikes!)
Protein: 103 g 17%
Fat: 204 g 77%
Carbs: 36.7/9.7=25g 6.1% [ sheer fluke, honest ]

Activity: The usual at work (seated but for the printer runs) and then nothing specifically excercise-ish
Measurements: not
Weight: 1st thing, AM 190 down 1.5 but not getting excited yet, will check the trend at the end of the week, eh?)
Thoughts: Had an odd kind of hunger for breakfast, almost "remote" (very strange after yesterday, but maybe yesterday's Fat Fast had this effect). This whole Cal Boost thing was pretty tough to do, I felt terribly full after my meals and actually had to break an anticipated meal into 2 parts and ended up not being anywhere near hungry enough to tackle the snack (part 2) at my usual hungry time, 4-5pm.
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Old Sat, Aug-25-01, 00:12
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Plan: Atkins,PP - wgt in %
Stats: 100/96.8/69 Female 5'6.5"
BF:DWTK/DDare/JEnuf
Progress: 10%
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Default Week1 Day4

Stillman's * Lcpv1.2
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32 fluid ounces coffee, brewed
24 fluid ounces coffee, half decaf homesize cup w stevia
1 1/2 cups cottage cheese, dry Dairyland
3 egg whites -- scrambled
2 tablespoons syrup, sf DaVinci Pancake/Maple
80 fluid ounces water -- filtered
6 ounces boned and skinned chicken breast halves -- poached
2 tablespoons vegetable broth
1 tablespoon coarse mustard
1/3 serving Vanilla ToDietFor Quickshake -- home-made
3 ounces cooked pork -- lean only
1 romaine lettuce leaves
6 ounces boned and skinned chicken breast halves -- poached
2 tablespoons vegetable broth
1 tablespoon coarse mustard
2 servings Custard/Cheesecake Thingie
24 fluid ounces coffee, half decaf homesize cup w stevia
1 romaine lettuce leaves
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Calories: 1333 (as much as I could manage, honest)
Protein: 237g 73%
Fat: 24g 16.6%
Carbs: 34/1.7g 10.5%

Activity: the usual work (seated but for the printer runs); actually took the ancient dawg for a short trundle in the cool night air.
Weight: (1st thing, AM) 187.5!
Down another 1.5 BUT this may be the early water drop, I did just come out of TOM, will check the trend at the end of the week, eh? Geez, such a pessimist
Measurements: not; I'll be very happy to get into my first set of reference clothes (again)... (and I'm admitting to a tight 16 thus far)

Thoughts: Had a few hungry episodes today, but was craving fatty stuff or salad with dressing... but generally I was less hungry on LF (Stillman) than on FF, so found it difficult to get the calories up there with the fat limitation. To do it, I've had to do some late night snackingn and stayed up late to do it ! DIDN'T want to OVERSTUFF on fatfree protein at one sitting, that's one of the few things besides carbs that's likely to trigger an insulin surge, a LARGE dose of protein (especially with no fat) at one fell swoop. Tsk Tsk.
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Old Sat, Aug-25-01, 00:20
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Plan: Atkins
Stats: 220/176/140 Female 66 inches
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Progress: 55%
Location: Nanaimo
Default Re: Week1 Day4

Quote:
so found it difficult to get the calories up there with the fat limitation. To do it, I've had to do some late night snackingn and stayed up late to do it !


But the great thing about lean protein day is eat until you are full, no calorie minimum or maximum, just low fat and low low carb I was so NOT hungry on that day (which carried on into calorie boost day so be prepared). If nothing else I am learning what keeps the appetite down thorugh this study!
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Old Sat, Aug-25-01, 01:01
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BF:DWTK/DDare/JEnuf
Progress: 10%
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Thumbs up Oh

... well THAT'S way cool. For some reason, Stina, I got it into my head we were supposed to try for a minimum of 10 cals/pound of current weight.

I rather prefer this lack of appetite as long as it doesn't slow down my metabolism...

Thanks!
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Old Sun, Aug-26-01, 02:55
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Plan: Atkins,PP - wgt in %
Stats: 100/96.8/69 Female 5'6.5"
BF:DWTK/DDare/JEnuf
Progress: 10%
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Wink Week1 Day5

- Calorie Boost * Lcpv1.2
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5 slices thick-sliced bacon
3 large eggs -- over easy
2 tsp bacon fat
1 serving Custard/Cheesecake Thingie
1/2 cup Vanilla "Creamer" No Fat
6 ounces cod fillets
7 ounces red snapper
3 tablespoons soy sauce
1 green onion, whole
2 teaspoons sesame oil
tablespoon fresh ginger root
6 servings coffee, half decaf homesize cup w stevia
64 fluid ounces water
8 ounces green beans
3 tablespoons clarified butter
1 tablespoon bacon fat
1 ounce Pork Rinds, Regular Pork Puffs 90g bag
1/2 serving Ice Cream, Coconut (No Dairy)

Calories: 2117 (as much as I could manage, target 2370)
Protein: 157g 30%
Fat: 145g 62.6%
Carbs: 38.5/8.6=29.9g 7.4%

Activity: the weekend stuff has hit, on my feet most of the day with chores..

Weight (1st thing, AM) 187
Down a paltry 0.5 but heck, it's down (which is a good thing).

Thoughts: darn, not much in my brain at present but a bit of weariness at this Rotation stuff. I like to think I have a good memory but I'm constantly having to check my notes to see what DAY it is ! Ack. I'm VERY much looking forward to some dairy (some REAL dairy ) tomorrow.
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Old Mon, Aug-27-01, 01:45
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Plan: Atkins,PP - wgt in %
Stats: 100/96.8/69 Female 5'6.5"
BF:DWTK/DDare/JEnuf
Progress: 10%
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Thumbs down Week1 Day6

- Regular LC (Somersizing) * Lcpv1.2
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1 peach
16 fluid ounces green & ginger tea w stevia
30 minutes later:
6 ounces cooked oatmeal
1/2 cup yogurt with fruit, nonfat, artificial swee
1/2 cup skim milk
snack:
2 Devilled Eggs
lunch:
20 fluid ounces dry red wine
1 slice pumpernickel bread
1 piece sliced tomato
3 ounces green beans
2 teaspoons vinaigrette
2 ounces smoked salmon
2 Devilled Eggs
1 ounce brie
5 radishes
8 fluid ounces coffee, brewed
cappucino breve:
3/4 cup espresso coffee
1/4 cup half and half
1/4 cup whipping cream
16 fluid ounces coffee, half decaf homesize cup w stevia
64 fluid ounces water

Calories: 1857
Protein: 54g 14%
Fat: 105g 62%
Carbs: 89/21=68g 22% !

Activity: more domestics, on my feet quite a bit and moving; then a semi-social engagement at my mom's (and too much wine, but on the move at least)..

Weight (1st thing, AM) 187.5 hmmmmph

Thoughts: I really am having trouble with the high-carb/low-fat parts of this Somersizing! I look at the carb counts and just *shudder*; have I been lowcarbing a long long time or what!? I think I'll be doing a lot less of that part for the next couple of days (it IS optional after all), I don't like feeling this guilty !8-/ Maybe I shouldn't have started this Somersizing only 10 days before starting the Study.... ah well.
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Old Wed, Aug-29-01, 19:12
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Plan: Atkins,PP - wgt in %
Stats: 100/96.8/69 Female 5'6.5"
BF:DWTK/DDare/JEnuf
Progress: 10%
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Arrow Week1 Day7

- Regular LC (Somersizing) * Lcpv1.2
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breakfast:
1/2 cup ricotta cheese, part skim milk, Bari (YUMM! DAIRY!)
1/2 cup yogurt
16 fluid ounces coffee, half decaf homesize cup w stevia
snack:
63 grams cheddar cheese
cappucino redux:
4 fluid ounces coffee, brewed
1/2 cup milk
late late lunch:
2 X DQ Double Burger redux:
250 grams ground beef patties -- grilled
1/3 tomato
1 1/2 teaspoons mayonnaise
6 fluid ounces coffee, brewed
supper (ferry):
175 grams ground beef patties
1 1/2 teaspoons mayonnaise
2 teaspoons Caesar salad dressing
1 1/2 cups romaine lettuce
1/4 sliced tomato
1 lemon wedges
72 fluid ounces water

Calories: 2106
Protein: 106g 21%
Fat: 171g 74%
Carbs: 27.3/2.5=26.8g 5%

Weight (1st thing, AM) 188 hmmmmph ... Calories/Pound = 11.2
Activity: roadtrip day... cars, ferries, fast food joints and stress... 1.5 hours in Customs, sitting Aaaaaaack.
Thoughts: none printable!
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Old Wed, Aug-29-01, 19:15
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Plan: Atkins,PP - wgt in %
Stats: 100/96.8/69 Female 5'6.5"
BF:DWTK/DDare/JEnuf
Progress: 10%
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Arrow Week2 Day1 2001-08-28 Tuesday

- Regular Lc (Somersizing) * Lcpv1.2
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3 whole large eggs -- fried
1/2 teaspoon butter
16 fluid ounces coffee, half decaf homesize cup w stevia
2 fluid ounces cream
2 ounces radish
32 fluid ounces coffee, brewed
2 1/4 ounces cheddar cheese
1 Custard/Cheesecake Thingie
3/4 cup yogurt
36 fluid ounces coffee, half decaf homesize cup w stevia
24 fluid ounces coffee, brewed
2 fluid ounces half and half
2 ounces green beans
1 teaspoon vinaigrette
4 ounces smoked salmon
1/2 ounce cheddar cheese
1 1/2 ounces brie
84 grams cheddar cheese

Calories: 1709
Protein: 123 g 29%
Fat: 118 g 62%
Carbs: 38/3=35g 9%

Weight (1st thing, AM) 187.5 ... Calories/Pound = 9.1
Activity: the regular up and down (and a short walk on the 2-hour mark as I move the car) PLUS the 1st League Bowling nite & AGM so 40-ish heaves of a 12# ball
Thoughts: just tired and so NOT looking forward to Fat Fast tomorrow.
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