Below Fred's comment



http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2012...t-for-athletes/

The effects are quite variable: I agree

No, I hadn't seen Fred's comment (nor had I seen your comment to my first post when I posted my second, so please don't interpret my second comment as a "volley"). Did you see Steve Phinney's reply to Fred and Shelley's comments?

http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2012...t-for-athletes/

Perhaps Steve Phinney's tests do not exactly meet what you are trying to do, but you won't know if it will work for you till you give it a try. He does note that the tests were done after only 2 weeks of adaptation and the entire process can take up to 4-6 weeks.

Good luck!

Thanks, yes I dd see that a long adaption period maybe required. I do feel that I am already adapted to a degree, maybe just not there yet will see down the road a bit. Another guy who worked with Phinney 'Peter Attia' on this adaption seems to be having good results as well. Will add a link later when I locate it.

http://waroninsulin.com/how-a-low-c...tic-performance

Peters results are interesting and this guy seems really putting some effort into it. He responds to a lot of questions on his site with " I'll respond to that in detail later" I'll wait on the detail, no hurry.

There's a new Attia post today - perhaps his insights will help you figure out how to approach things. He's really good about answering readers' questions too.

http://waroninsulin.com/nutrition/w...-have-in-common

I look at Peter as a somewhat new arrival to low-carb time wise, yet a very informative one. He certainly is into it big time, on a mission you might say. I very much enjoy his insight and am thankful he goes to the effort to present it:

Peters comments in article

A little genetic ability would not hurt either

and


General long term health concerns are quite important. I have to deal with an Alzheimer’s parent it's not easy.

This guy is a very active individual BTW, which also interests me. Not really a couple sprints a week type of thing.


Thanks again

Yeah, Attia is pretty obsessed about his physical performance. Have you seen his tire flipping video?

His strength, I think, is balancing his activity within the context of a healthy life. Yes, you may be able to ride faster or longer with carbs, but is the trade-off worth it? Each person has to weigh all the factors and make his/her individual decision. Also, the balance may shift over time.

Oh, one other book that might interest you if you've not yet seen it: the TNT Diet by Jeff Volek (New Atkins co-author) and Adam Someone from Men's Health Mag. The TNT Diet is fundamentally Atkins with 4 different modifications based on whether you are trying to lose weight and/or build muscle. A couple of the plans add carbs before and/or after workouts depending on your goals.

New book by Dr. Phinney & Volek, the The Art & Science of low Carbohydrate Performance may answer more specific questions: http://www.amazon.com/The-Art-Scien...e/dp/0983490716

This I need to look into. In 2 weeks my current competitive cycling/running season will end and with 40 only a couple of months away I have GOT to get my nagging 20-30#s to go away for good. I'd like to have most of it gone by Spring. It's going to be an interesting experiment to see what will work as I train this Winter for 2 half-marathons in April.

I have to say that it took my body a very long time to adjust to LC at age 48. My "low carb flu" symptoms went on for months, I was dizzy for a long time, I think my brain was learning to burn ketones. Once I adapted, I loved it! I can go for long rides without having to pack a bunch of food or stop to eat. It's so convenient.

This is great to hear! When I first did Atkins I had ZERO issues adapting to the new lifestyle and working out, but in those days I rarely did more than maybe a 60 minute weight-training workout. I suspect I will have a different experience trying to adapt to already pretty heavy and consistent running and cycling workouts. Part of the reason I'm starting this time of the year is that my race season is mostly over and now it's a matter of building back up the miles at an easier effort.

Phinney/Volek say that from low sodium in their books.

Fascinating discussion for me. I work out with weights regularly, and fairly heavy for someone over 50. I've just started low-carbing and I have already noticed I'm tanking sooner than I was before. I guess each person has to listen to their own body and eat accordingly. I plan on riding across Canada next spring. I'll probably average 110kms/day, which translates into 6500-8500 calories/day. Obviously I will need to be eating carbs. Any suggestions as to which carbs are best for such an output of energy?

OK, I just read Phinney's take on needing almost no food. I'm a newbie so it's not computing with me yet, and have friends who are actual athletes that carb-load, etc, and say low-carb is idiotic. I don't agree with them, just saying I'm adjusting to a new way of thinking. Still, I'm not sure I will quite on the same page as Phinney by the time I take my trip. Definitely a lot to think about.

Thanks Nancy--I have learned to eat a lot more salt. People definitely do a double take when they watch me fry 3 or 4 eggs in butter and then heavily salt them. I eat a meal of eggs like that on most days.