Becky,

I feel like I ate all day long. I am stuffed. I noticed that I really want to drink my water. I drank 4 - 20 oz glasses with no problem so far today.

Calories Eaten Today
source grams cals %total
Total: 1952
Fat: 137 1232 64%
Sat: 66 590 31%
Poly: 7 63 3%
Mono: 33 301 16%
Carbs: 17 56 3%
Fiber: 3 0 0%
Protein: 158 634 33%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%

What do you think?

OH MY!!! This are pretty good stats. CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!

Lets see:

Total: 1952 GREAT!!!!
Fat: 137 1232 64% VERY VERY VERY GOOD!

Carbs: 17 56 3% Just remember to have one extra cup of veggies. NET CARBS = 14 gms.

Fiber: 3 0 0%
I suggest you up your fiber intake. Two more cup of veggies will do the trick. check the recipe section in this forum. They have awsome veggies recipes!

Protein: 158 634 33% I personally think that your protein intake is a little high. Try keeping your protein intake in the 100 -120 gms range.

Please, also let me know what is your activity level so we can find out which will be your best amount of protein intake.

Let me take a look at your fitday, and I will come back to you soon!

Ok, here I am, let me tell you just a couple of things:

Pork Rinds are not allowed during induction. Pork rinds Stall many people due to their HIGH SALT content. I know that they are very yummy. I see that you had them with BBQ flavour...hummm...this is my opinion...Search a little more in this forum about pork rinds. One thing for sure, is that they have a very good source of protein and fat...but If you crave them, I will suggest you have only 1oz 1 or two days a week- natural, no preservatives and no flavours.

You also had cream, whipped, swetened: this is a no no. Check the recipe section for a homemade LC whip cream. ELIMINATE the sugar.

so far I think you are doing good. Just try to stick to a strict induction. Check this page for the Allowed Vegetables and foods during the Induction Phase: http://atkins.com/Archive/2001/12/15-464579.html

I'm sure you will be able to fix this little mistakes that all of us make at the beginning of this WOE. Hey! Tomorrow is a brand new day!

Becky, it bothers me that you are implying there is a problem with Lonnie's protein intake.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this protein level. In fact, Lonnie's stats are just fine.

Rosebud

Sorry for bothering you Rosebund. As I said, Is my personal Opinion, and many many many people in this forum gives personal opinions due to personal experiences. I'm trying to find out which is her activity level. Once I get it, we will be able to find out which protein level is right for her.

Lonnie: Everyone is different, and it's terrific when you branch out, seek information and find out for yourself what works for YOU.

Take care.

I don't know where you are getting your information from, Becky, because pork rinds are definitely allowed during Induction.

Once again, I'd like to ask you to please be very careful with the advice you are giving. None of us here, even those of us with a LOT more experience than you, like to set ourselves up as being "expert." Unfortunately it is beginning to seem to me that you are seeing yourself as having more knowledge and experience than you in fact do have.

And back to the protein situation: the only thing you have to worry about with protein is that you are getting enough. And as we have seen, Lonnie is definitely getting enough protein, and so as I have said, her protein level is just fine.

Rosebud

Rosebund, could you please tell me where it says that Pork rinds are allowed for induction? I have seen and read many times the Induction Phase Allowed foods from the Atkins Center web page, as well as from the DANDR, and they do not mention pork rinds. Please be so kind to give me your source of information.



Ok, you are starting to begin to be very rude to me, I do not like that, If you have a personal problem with me, why don't you keep it private and PM me? You are making this a War Zone. And we are here to infom and help people.
I have not been in this forum as long as you do 1 1/2 years. But I have lost already 90 pounds. What do you know about me? Why are you picking on me all the time?

I have seen information in this forum threads, that I personally think should get more your attention than me.

You do not know me at all, Rosebund. So please, stop Judging me, and making comments that are really really starting to hurt me. Instead, post your sources, and post information for Lonnie and not directed to me. I will read them carefully, I will learn from them, and I will be able to learn a lot more from you.

Thank you

http://atkins.com/food/recipes/all/..._Meatballs.html

Please note that pork rinds are listed in the recipe and that the recipe is listed as acceptable for all phases of Atkins, including induction.

Thank you so much for that information. I know now that I can have Pork Rinds!!!!



I love them!!!

HUM???? Lisa, Where does it say that it is allowed for Induction Phase?

Hold it gals!

I started this thread.

I want the opinion of Becky.

I am a grown woman with my own dicision making power. I chose to ask Becky for her opinion due to the fact she works in percentages. I am an analytical thinker and I like concete measurable information. After one week I should know if these percentages are working for me or if I need to change them up a bit.

I appreciate all the information given so far.

If anyone has information that is contrary to any information listed, please:

1) put in the form of a statement directed to me,
2) followed by document source.
3) I will then review and make an intelligent decision on my own.

Enough said!

Becky,

I am sorry that you are getting so upset about this.

None of my posts are meant to "attack" you. But as a moderator, I am obliged to correct anybody who is giving other people incorrect information. I am sorry if you see that as rudeness, I am simply trying to give the facts.

I have posted information for Lonnie, but it seems she prefers your information to mine, which is why I feel it is necessary to point out some of your mistakes.

Such as the pork rinds. As Lisa said, they are acceptable for all phases of Atkins, including Induction. Pork rinds are just pork and fat, and so are definitely allowed on Induction. Again, I don't see this as some sort of terrible mistake, just an example of your relative inexperience.

Rosebud

Look under the nutritional breakdown for the recipe. See the little colored boxes? The boxes show that the recipe is acceptable for stages 1, 2, 3, and 4 of Atkins which correspond to Induction, OWL, Pre-maintainance, and Maintainance. When a recipe is not acceptable for induction, the 1 is left off. If it is only acceptable for pre-maintainance or maintainance, you will only see boxes 3 and 4. Yes, pork rinds have quite a bit of sodium, but they also have zero carbs for the unflavored ones and so would be a suitable snack for induction and as you can see, are useful in recipes as fillers or breading. Pork is allowed on induction, pig skin is allowed on induction and fat is allowed on induction...this is all that pork rinds are...rendered pig skins with the fat attached that are salted. For that matter, they're not much different than crispy bacon without the nitrates.

Regarding the protein intake. Atkins doesn't give specific recommendations for protein, but Protein Power does. The amounts given are for minimums and they state that it is not a problem to exceed those minimums by a good bit if you feel that you need it to be satisfied. In general, it's better to be getting a bit too much than to not be getting enough.

There's nothing wrong with giving an opinion, but be careful about presenting it as indisputable fact, ie "Pork rinds are not allowed on induction". A better way to have phrased that is "I don't think pork rinds are allowed on induction". See the difference?

Thank you Loonie for your intervention.



You are completely right Lisa. I am Spanish, and I know that my english is not very very good. I will do my best on checking the correct way of expressing myself. Thank you very much.
Thank so much also, for the source you gave me, I did not even know that those little coloured boxes existed!! But, Why they do not put like a "alllowed Snacks" or something in the Induction Phase Allowed food and vegetables?

Perhaps because people are encouraged to choose their snacks largely from those lists. But if you go to the Atkins website and put "snacks" in the search engine, you'll find things listed that they would consider good snacks (note that not all of them are appropriate for induction such as berries and nuts) but meat strips or jerky are listed and pork rinds are not too far of a stretch from that. Perhaps it's a bit more intuitive..as I mentioned above..they are not much different from crispy bacon, contain no carbs and are a protein/fat product. Protein and fat are both allowed on induction, pork rinds are nothing more than protein and fat, therefore pork rinds are allowed on induction. The flavored ones you need to be careful of because they sometimes contain sugar and have carbs, but the unflavored ones are allowed.

Lisa, thank you so much for your great information.
Please, Please be so kind to come back, and give us your suggestions or comments on the information given or exposed. You have been of great help, and very very kind.

Lonnie, Lisa, Please read this article and tell me what you think. http://www.ediets.com/news/article.cfm/article_id,8147

Quote:

1. Can I have pork rinds on Induction? This question currently has been asked by 92 different members, and the list is still growing! Somehow, pork rinds hit a nerve in the Atkins community. The answers are: yes and no! The Atkins plan asks you to limit carbohydrate foods strictly in Induction, which should only last about two weeks. We recommend fresh foods high in nutritional value. Some pork rinds are flavored with maltodextrin and other sugar flavorings. However, if the package says zero carbohydrate, then you can try them if you like.

Now I know where the confusion started! YES AND NO!

HO! I am once again here. Gilibel has edited her post and added the following information after having her Doctor's appointment:


EDIT - New info after doctor's appointment:



I Just wanted to post this here. I will do more research on this matter.


Good night!!

I will NOT join this discussion, just comment a few things "from the outside". Porkrinds: The fact is that porkrinds in Europe is obviously a different thing than in US/Australia. In most countries in Europe we cannot use pork rinds in the induction phase recipes, - due to the extremely high sodium content (THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE TASTE - IT SIMPLY TASTES TOO SALTY. Have tried several receipes with this North European salty version of pork rinds- belive me- it's not good !). In most countries in Europe they are salted extra. We've had a discusstion about this in the forums and found out that most countries in Euripe sell the salted ones - (and that's not naturally salted !)

Protein: I called my specialist at the hospital (I suffer from oedema and goes for a biiiiiiiig check up every year) He informed me the same thing Gil's doctor said. Too much protein can also be bad for people, even if they don't have a kidney disease. This often happens with body builders etc who in periods eat to much protein. How much protein is "to much" I asked, and he said it depended on your weight, activity level and medication, for me he recommended approx 2 grams pr kilo body weight as I still take duiretica and flush out a lot that way.

I honestly don't understand wath the big deal is - this is comment, not directed to a person: I appreciate the moderators, also Roz, who has been a tremendous help and support to me - and I understand they have to check and doublecheck postings. BUT - I've read through this thread and I don't find Becky's recommendations so misleading it should be necessary to pick it to pieces. To me it's an overreaction and makes me wonder...... And it's not the things that's said, it's the way it's said. I'm a bit dissapointed here. I've read some heavy misleading and soooooo incorrect info in many threads - without this causing massive attention, - if any attention at all. I understand that moderators cannot be everywhere, but the gravity of some of those postings! It just came to my notice that I can report such threads, and maybe I will.

We have to keep in mind that Atkins is not GOD, even if we sometimes feel like it and DANDR is not a bible, even if we sometimes treat it as one (I know I do both the above sometimes). There is still other opinions out there. We don't have to agree, but we SHALL accept their right to feel and mean differently. We also have a mind, we are adults and can form our own opinions out from the information given.

Like Lonnie - she asked for Beckys help. She clearly stated that she is capable of making her own decissions. None of the info Becky's been given is harmful in any way. My suggestion is that you two - Becky and Lonnie, - to prevent this beeing a war zone, starts communicating by e-mail directly to eachother, without beeing scrutinized. Leaving the modetrators to deal with the more important stuff.

To all of you. This was my first and last comment on this thread. I will not in any way discuss it with anybody anywhere. Any postings to me in this matter will not be answered or acknowledged. I'm sick and tired of this and you can mean and say what you want - I couldn't care less. Sorry folks, but that's it. There IS more important things in life......

Respectfully