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Old Wed, Mar-31-10, 06:16
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Plan: Atkins ~ DANDR
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Red face Judy Judy Judy

It's me again. LOL

Ya know, the atkins girl who always try to do SB but only lasts a couple of days because she freaks out.

yeah. I am struggling with staying on ANY plan right now. I love exercising but can't seem to feel too comfy eating the extra fat that atkins truly does require compared to most plans to function well. When I get a good hard workout in, my food choices are NOT prime. When I am good with my food, I dont' seem to exercise. I NEED BALANCE! Especially with summer coming, I like, actually LOVE lighter foods.

The last go at SB was starting straight at ph2. I think that was a big mistake for me. I need someone to possibly walk me through a successful 2 week ph 1 coming off a VLC of Atkins ( like, barely hitting the 20 carbs a day unless it is an off plan day).

I know I have been wishwashy in the past, but I need to find something with more balance, but that isn't going to make me gain or bloat or panic. Is that really too much to ask?

HELP ME PLEASE!
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Old Wed, Mar-31-10, 07:12
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Plan: ♥Calorie Counting
Stats: 265/195/175 Female 5' 10"
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Sheila - I get this - I really do!!!

Can't offer much but understanding of what you're going through....

I'll leave it to the others....
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Old Wed, Mar-31-10, 07:42
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Plan: No sugar, flour, wheat
Stats: 228.4/209.0/170 Female 5'6"
BF:stl/too/mch
Progress: 33%
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It's me again. LOL

Hi Sheila again!

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Originally Posted by Sheila
Ya know, the atkins girl who always try to do SB but only lasts a couple of days because she freaks out.
what makes you think that you won't freak out this time?

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Originally Posted by Sheila
yeah. I am struggling with staying on ANY plan right now. I love exercising but can't seem to feel too comfy eating the extra fat that atkins truly does require compared to most plans to function well. When I get a good hard workout in, my food choices are NOT prime. When I am good with my food, I dont' seem to exercise. I NEED BALANCE! Especially with summer coming, I like, actually LOVE lighter foods.
Care to share what you are eating after your workouts?

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The last go at SB was starting straight at ph2. I think that was a big mistake for me. I need someone to possibly walk me through a successful 2 week ph 1 coming off a VLC of Atkins ( like, barely hitting the 20 carbs a day unless it is an off plan day).

I know I have been wishwashy in the past, but I need to find something with more balance, but that isn't going to make me gain or bloat or panic. Is that really too much to ask?

HELP ME PLEASE!

How do you expect me to walk you through phase I?
The food lists and meal plans are what you need to follow to do this right and they are right in the weighin thread for all to see and use.
When you keep listening to your own mental chatter, it will keep driving you crazy about all this. This is the kind of thinking that I know would be a road block for me as I can obsess easily and counting carbs can become an obsessive venture. When you can shift your thinking and stop counting carbs, I think that you will find your balance.
Its like the line,"Don't think about pink elephants" and then all you can think about is pink elephants.
So its really is a matter of changing your mind about all of it. Not adding extra fat, not counting carbs, learning about which foods you can and should eat and which you really need to avoid.

So, what is it about phase I that is an issue for you?
I told you the last time that its best for those who switch from Atkins to begin in phase I but you chose not to listen to my advice.
Phase I will give you approx 60 grams of carbs if/when you eat all it allows for. The meal plan chart will show you how to do this.
Try to relax into this as it is a process and not stressing will help your body.
BREATHE!!!!

Use your journal to log your food daily and I'll watch to see how you are doing, OK?
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Old Wed, Mar-31-10, 23:21
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Plan: Dr. Eric Westman's/Atkins
Stats: 150/148/132 Female 5'-4"
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Hey Sheila! I also switched from Atkin's this year. I just basically stopped adding extra fat, or going out of my way to consume it, and tried to stay under 1700 calories. I don't believe fat (any kind) is bad but I have come to believe that calories are a factor when you are already small (at least for me they are.) I don't really count them now, as my food choices have become rather routine over time.

Also, I decided this time to employ several methods to try to get these last pounds off. I have definitely modified SB somewhat, so I am not a purist. I do have fruits everyday, and a starch every other day (yams, butternut squash) but will never eat wheat, sugar or processed foods if I can help it! I don't always choose lean meats, but don't always choose fatty meats like Atkins. I don't eat too much mayo and have been lighter on the dairy. I also added a sort of Paleo principle to the plan (only eating within a 5 or 6 hour window daily) and have also incorporated interval training (google HIIT.) Dr. Agaston recommends this in his book and since I am a retired fitness trainer, this made perfect sense to me. Judy sent me to a link, and one of the suggestions was to workout on an empty stomach if possible so I now workout when I wake up and do HIIT recumbent bike workout first and then do strength training (arms, abs, buns, legs.) My total workout is about 50 to 60 minutes 4x weekly.

I definitely am eating less than on Atkin's - no doubt - but have easily adjusted. I have about 60 carbs daily when I check Fitday. After you get into a groove, you'll love having the extra food choices. I do not find the extra carbs cause cravings and the intermittent fasting Paleo thing definitely helps control my appetite.

Hope I have helped and not confused. It sounds like you have succeeded on a plan and need to sort of shock your body to get it to change more. Increasing the carbs helped me to lose because I am hypothyroid and it only slowed my metabolism down worse not having any sources of quick energy. After you are keto "adapted" this happens from what I have read. I really do believe also in the one golden shot theory there - especially for metabolically resistant folks - though many will dispute this. I have seen Atkin's deliver dramatic results but when you get off plan (too many carbs) you quickly regain weight and even Dr. Atkin's admitted this in his book. This was always the fly in the ointment for me, as I like alcohol on the weekends.

Tell me about your workouts? If you do a lot of steady state, you are in for a surprise with how quick and more efficient HIIT really is if you haven't tried it.

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Old Thu, Apr-01-10, 06:50
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Hope I have helped and not confused. It sounds like you have succeeded on a plan and need to sort of shock your body to get it to change more. Increasing the carbs helped me to lose because I am hypothyroid and it only slowed my metabolism down worse not having any sources of quick energy. After you are keto "adapted" this happens from what I have read. I really do believe also in the one golden shot theory there - especially for metabolically resistant folks - though many will dispute this. I have seen Atkin's deliver dramatic results but when you get off plan (too many carbs) you quickly regain weight and even Dr. Atkin's admitted this in his book. This was always the fly in the ointment for me, as I like alcohol on the weekends. .



Interesting point Aeroangie...thanks for taking the time to post this.
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Old Thu, Apr-01-10, 08:24
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Plan: No sugar, flour, wheat
Stats: 228.4/209.0/170 Female 5'6"
BF:stl/too/mch
Progress: 33%
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Great Post, Angie and thank you for it.

Sheila,
I still think that you should start out with phase I for 2 weeks simply to raise up your carb level very slowly before you add in anything else. Also so that you can know how it is that we eat on SB. I still do float between the phases, all 3 of them, to manage my weight.

I find that when people get too far away from the plan because they didn't acutally do a clean phase I, they get into trouble.
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Old Wed, May-05-10, 09:28
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Plan: South Beach modified
Stats: 160/144/135 Female 5'5"
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Hi Sheila,

I totally get where you are coming from. I had such a hard time convincing myself that carbs are the culprit, not fat. It's all those years of being conditioned by nutritionists to think that all fat is bad. My understanding of SB is that it is in the balance.

I've tried to get my sister in law to try SB, and she refuses because she is convinced her cholesterol levels will skyrocket. This is despite the fact that Dr. Agatston cites studies proving SBD lowers cholesterol levels, and that both her sister and I have had great success with weight loss!

It's hard to reshape the way you think.
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Old Wed, May-05-10, 09:46
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Plan: Dr. Eric Westman's/Atkins
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Skitzoid - does your SIL think it's the carbs or the fat in SB that will change her lipids? Amazes me how many people have a strong opinion on this and have actually done no research on their own re: lipid science, the lipid hypothesis, etc.

I think Sheila must have freaked out and gone back to Atkins. She must have been too be afraid to try something new, even if only for a few weeks. Even Dr. Atkin's said his plan may not be the best plan for everyone. If you quit losing on it, and are not to your goal, then that was reason enough for me to research and at least try something else. I am so glad that I did!!!!

Less than 5lbs. pounds to go!!! Woo hoo!!!
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Old Wed, May-05-10, 10:08
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Plan: South Beach modified
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Skitzoid - does your SIL think it's the carbs or the fat in SB that will change her lipids?


I honestly don't know, Aeroangie. She becomes annoyed when I talk about the diet, so I've given up. I guess her sister and I will leave her in the dust on weight loss.

Congrats on the 5 lbs to go! I'd be in heaven if I were there!
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Old Mon, Jun-21-10, 11:19
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I think Sheila must have freaked out and gone back to Atkins. She must have been too be afraid to try something new, even if only for a few weeks.


Yep your right. I did. I did quit, and then tried many other things to find that balance. BUT... SB has been hanging out in the forefront of my mind. I decided today.... starting at lunch (which I just ate), I was moving into a 2 week PHASE 1 of SB. No bones about it.

Thank you Judy for your patience. I am stubborn, and when I get my mind set on something that is just how it is. I am ready to branch out and drag my husband along with me (he just don't know it! LOL).
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Old Mon, Jun-21-10, 11:51
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Plan: No sugar, flour, wheat
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Progress: 33%
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Yep your right. I did. I did quit, and then tried many other things to find that balance. BUT... SB has been hanging out in the forefront of my mind. I decided today.... starting at lunch (which I just ate), I was moving into a 2 week PHASE 1 of SB. No bones about it.

Thank you Judy for your patience. I am stubborn, and when I get my mind set on something that is just how it is. I am ready to branch out and drag my husband along with me (he just don't know it! LOL).

OK Sheila!!
I'm here when and if you need me.
Have you printed up the food lists and meal plan guides yet?
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Old Mon, Jun-21-10, 12:01
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Hey Sheila, I am a runner and struggle mightily with the same issue. Recently, I feel like I had a breakthrough I thought I'd share. I started doing intermittent fasting, where I eat one meal with lots of variety, including much more carbs than I was eating before, and then fast until the same time the next day. I have about a 2 hour window I like for eating and then I fast for 22 (22/2) but lots of people do 18/6 or 20/4. I find with the extra carbs I can get through my workouts without bonking and I don't have a problem with getting hungry. I stalled on super low carb for many months and doing this finally started things moving (I'm down 12 pounds since I started).
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Old Mon, Jun-21-10, 15:56
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OK Sheila!!
I'm here when and if you need me.
Have you printed up the food lists and meal plan guides yet?


Judy, I did! I printed them out and have them in a nice neat little binder (and I plan on using it). I have a section in there where I am keeping my food log, and I am using the meal plan to plan out the next few weeks, and the next grocery shopping trip. I am actually excited and not allowing doubt to sinc in any longer... or at least when it does, I reassure myself this is the next step to having a "balanced" life, because the last two years have been anything but. I am honestly making much more of an effort this time and am looking forward to better results. No temper tantrums allowed!

I have a date at the gym tomorrow, and some swimming fun after that. (In other words, LOTS of activity!)
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Old Mon, Jun-21-10, 15:57
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Hey Sheila, I am a runner and struggle mightily with the same issue. Recently, I feel like I had a breakthrough I thought I'd share. I started doing intermittent fasting, where I eat one meal with lots of variety, including much more carbs than I was eating before, and then fast until the same time the next day. I have about a 2 hour window I like for eating and then I fast for 22 (22/2) but lots of people do 18/6 or 20/4. I find with the extra carbs I can get through my workouts without bonking and I don't have a problem with getting hungry. I stalled on super low carb for many months and doing this finally started things moving (I'm down 12 pounds since I started).


I have tried IF ~ the only problem is I can't honestly get enough calories in.... as I just dont' eat much at one setting (even after fasting).
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Old Mon, Jun-21-10, 16:02
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Plan: No sugar, flour, wheat
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Progress: 33%
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Judy, I did! I printed them out and have them in a nice neat little binder (and I plan on using it). I have a section in there where I am keeping my food log, and I am using the meal plan to plan out the next few weeks, and the next grocery shopping trip. I am actually excited and not allowing doubt to sinc in any longer... or at least when it does, I reassure myself this is the next step to having a "balanced" life, because the last two years have been anything but. I am honestly making much more of an effort this time and am looking forward to better results. No temper tantrums allowed!

I have a date at the gym tomorrow, and some swimming fun after that. (In other words, LOTS of activity!)

Excellent Sheila!!
I'm so happy for you that you've taken on a new attitude about it all.

As for Janine's suggestion re: IF....I really think that you should do the phase I for 2 weeks as it was intended, meals and snacks. When you enter phase II, if you want to go the IF route, then you should try it.

I think that we all need to learn whichever plan we chose to follow correctly, before we start tweaking it.
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