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Old Tue, Feb-12-19, 19:44
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Update re my mother-- some feeling is coming back into her numb finger tips.

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My journey for prevention continues. Saw endochrinologist for replacement therapy. Estrogen is low , via the blood test. Given the history estrogen replacement is not recommended. I will continue with daily flax as I do know it has some effect. Need to balance it with progesterone OTC.

Daily I wish I had never had the BRCA test, NOR had ovaries removed. Life has been hell since.

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DH had blood test for PSA. He didnt know much. Just following what the doctors told him to do. THis is a retest. He drives me nuts that he follow what a doc says with out question.

Given what I have read so far, if DH doesnt change his lifestyle, I have about 5 years to prepare to be a widow. It is what it is.

In the mean time looking for information.
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Old Wed, Feb-13-19, 04:10
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You asked about prostate on the other thread. The PSA test has many limitations https://www.cancer.gov/types/prostate/psa-fact-sheet#q5.
One success story including metastatic prostate cancer was on DietDoctor https://www.dietdoctor.com/healing-brain-well-pancreas. Steve posts more details on the many steps he has taken at the 2ketodudes' Ketogenic forum, and he keeps updates and posts there.

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Old Wed, Feb-13-19, 11:11
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Thank you JANET!!!!!
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Old Wed, Feb-13-19, 11:19
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The PSA testing was just " routine", and NO discussion with my husband PRIOR to the testing. WHen I ran thru sysmptoms with DH last night, he has NONE. This is regarded as " Over diagnosing" .

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Is the PSA test recommended for prostate cancer screening?

Until about 2008, some doctors and professional organizations encouraged yearly PSA screening for men beginning at age 50. Some organizations recommended that men who are at higher risk of prostate cancer, including African American men and men whose father or brother had prostate cancer, begin screening at age 40 or 45. However, as more was learned about both the benefits and harms of prostate cancer screening, a number of organizations began to caution against routine population screening. Most organizations recommend that men who are considering PSA screening first discuss the risks and benefits with their doctors.


THere is NO prostate cancer in DH family. His father is in his.... 80's.

Waste of time for DH to take off a 1/2 day from work--- I could have used that help at home, and not for an unnecessary test.

Now that this door has been opened... the genie cannot be put back into the bottle. Causing MORE problems than it deserves: emotional stress.
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Old Wed, Feb-13-19, 11:42
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In Spring 2014, after meeting with a diabetes dietician, I decided to drastically reduce eating carbohydrates. My doctor was worried about my A1c having risen to 6.9%. He said before he put me on a medication, I could try a diet to reduce my serum glucose level, and sent me to the dietician. She said all the carbs I eat are converted by my body to serum glucose. So I suggested that I stop eating carbs, but of course, she said I had to eat half my calories from carbs, and showed me a pictorial meal plate. Huh? I guess if I were an alcoholic she’d suggest I drink half a bottle of whiskey every day.


"Two videos were very informative: “Cereal Killers” and “Cereal Killers II, Run on Fat“. Both can be viewed on Diet Doctor. “Run on Fat” introduces researchers Dr. Steve Phinney and Dr. Jeff Volek and their two books. "

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The sources I found: “Grain Brain: The Surprising Truth about Wheat, Carbs, and Sugar – Your Brain’s Silent Killers“, by Dr. David Perlmutter, and “Prevent & Reverse Early Age-Related Macular Degeneration (AMD) with an Ancestral Diet“, by Professor Chris Knobbe, M.D., Ophthalmologist.


My frustration is that I have been spewing VLC to DH for a number of years. In one ear and out the other. Maybe NOW he will listen.

And maybe, just maybe, he really doesnt have prostate cancer, or at least nothing that will disrupt his life.

Funny, how this is an emotional roller coaster. I flipped when he first told me. When I pressed for why he was home, and what blood test. THen calm then flip again.

A screaming lunitic is not helpful, so I pull myself together again, and find calm. I cannot change anything.... NO THAT IS NOT TRUE! I can keep trying to show DH there is another way. DONT trust what doctors say-- dig in and find the truth, as doctors are not about the truth. Their hands are tied. By the rules of doctoring.

Had a doc tell me all the virtues of Tamoxifan-- NEVER telling me any of the side effects ( which I already knew). Totally lost trust in that doctor. Doctors are not about truth nor full disclosure.

I am in the boat I am because I believed what the doctors said; it was only half the truth.

Found 3 listings for holistic health care in my area. Need to follow up. BUt need a list of questions to send in an email.
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Old Wed, Feb-13-19, 11:52
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You may not need special holistic healthcare, just a more conservative urologist. It has been a number of years, so I do not remember any numbers or dates now, but my DH had a high PSA test. It was more in the "watchful waiting" level with a diagnosis of BHP. Around this time he read WheatBelly, gave up grains, stopped years of acid reflux and PPIs, retired from a high stress job, and numerous lifestyle changes that could ..or not.. have had any influence on the PSA results. It has been normal since those one or two tests back when, sometime after 2008 change in testing confidence, with Wheat Belly published in 2011.
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Old Wed, Feb-13-19, 12:59
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Yes, Im pushing for lifestyle changes for DH.

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a bit about iodine and the NEED for Lugol's supplementation. Farrow provides animpelling reason for supplementation: Bromine is everywhere, fire retardent clothes, furniture and mattresses and FLOUR!

http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/...dine_Crisis.mp3
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oops should have put this in my J

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Old Wed, Feb-13-19, 15:20
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A screaming lunitic is not helpful, so I pull myself together again, and find calm. I cannot change anything.... NO THAT IS NOT TRUE! I can keep trying to show DH there is another way. DONT trust what doctors say-- dig in and find the truth, as doctors are not about the truth. Their hands are tied. By the rules of doctoring.

Ms A - I understand the frustration on both sides: Trying to find a medical specialist who understands the current issues with PSA, and trying to find in the same person, one with credibility who understands the potential power of lifestyle changes and can communicate that to your husband. Unfortunately, my generation (baby boomers) was brought up to respect medical professionals and typically we follow their directives to the letter. If a doctor states it, it must be true . . . until . . . it's not.

For what it's worth, any way to get the message across without it appearing to come from you is worth it. I do not nag or cajole my family members, as they understand too well how to tune me out. Therefore, a strong message from a third party who is an expert often helps. Steve's story at the DD website is illustrative of a person who took matters into his own hands. Unfortunately, not everyone is like Steve, but there are some takeaways in his story that can help to convey the message via a third party. Both Cereal Killers films are excellent, and members of my family found them entertaining. "My Big Fat Diet" is also a good one for people who would rather watch than read. It's very difficult to watch loved ones struggle with health issues when you know you can help. You're doing the right thing by offering, it's up to them to take the next steps. It's easy for me to relate to your situation, and my thoughts are with you.
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Old Wed, Feb-13-19, 19:23
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Since talking to the oncologist is useless, I continue to look for preventive options. This Dr Bergman pulls his information from all the studies.... studies that other doctors seem to ignore..... he makes me laugh when the docs make me frustrated and cry...

Breast and Prostate Cancer 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEnkH39Eat8

THe above video is rather good. Lots of to- do's that we all can do. And the pitfalls of the PSA test, and why biopsies are a problem and avoid removal of the prostate because it doesnt change the outcome: death rates.

and watched his prostate episode. He gave me good understanding that DH doesnt have prostate issues that are deadly.
Titled Prostate Health

CANCER is a metabolic disease; NOT genetic. CHange the diet to clean nfood; exercise regularly, improve relationships, get Vit C, Vit D and tumeric, and MUCH MORE. Detox. Get rid of plastics, etc. THis is just the beginning of his info!

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Old Thu, Feb-14-19, 11:21
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Even acne treatment from Dr Bergman!!
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Old Thu, Feb-14-19, 13:17
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Dr Bergman recommends a plant based diet, with some meats. THe meats must be organically raised.

I have stsruggled with understanding the anti animal fat advice, and the red meat will kill policies...... to the point of gathering information and mulling it all over. Some months ago I came to this conclusion.

( I have a BS in Animal Science, and took a number of food classes as well as a licenced vet tech at one time. Have raised livestock, and gardened a bit, for 30 years.)

Fats-- the fats and oils in the market is NOT the same as 100 years ago. Everyone pretty much lived on a farm, and few in the cities. Access to fresh, just picked much of the year, or stored foods in cold cellars or dried. Canning was a recent possiblity 100 years ago. Back to fats. Everythig was grass fed. With some grains and hay to winder over. To watch the chickens now in winter, they love the green grasses. YES, in winter here the grasses thrive, and go domant in the summer heat. However, cattle cannot walk on the winter pasutre without damaging the plants; their hooves puncture huge holes into the turf. My sheep are m uch lighter and do not do that kind of damage.


Grain based oils are very processed; not just crushed and pressed but also solvents utilized. A few pressed oils are avialable to us today: coconut oil, avocado oil, and a few others. THough interestingly these too often have higher levels of omega 6 than omega 3's ( More on that later.)

THe ivestock today are raised in huge factory sized buildings. The hogs kept penned; the cattle moved from range to pens with a driveway wide enough to auger grains into the feed bunks. ANd hopefully some hay also provided for maintian health. Not optimal health, but enough to keep the animal growing. CHickens in large buildings with food only steps away, and no or little sunlight, some 10,000 per building. A few sqare feet per bird is the calculation, though the bird cuold walk the 100 foot length. Again all are fed the cheapest possible grains: which means GMO, single-crop farming methods, and may have antibiotics added to the feed or injected ( cattle get pellets injected into the ear-- per cattle class in the 80's)

A dang chicken came into my life some 8 years ago, and I blame her for my start into organic, gut health, etc. Her name was Arielle.

Back to the fats. The fats derived from the commercially fed livestock is not the same as the animal that runs over the grass accessing bugs, buds, the grass itself, as well as a grain ration. I am starting to understand that that grain ration needs to be organic too. I had deluded myself that free ranging was enough to balance the GMO commercial grains. IT IS NOT.

These animal fats reflect the feeds. THe fat is more yellow. And the omega 3 to 6 ration is more correct; should be 1:1 to 1:4. But just seeing yellow is not enough. Chrysanthamum is fet to chickens to make the yolks yellow; to make consumers thing these are better. It is only a food coloring. IT is not a deep rich yellow do to vitamin A from eating real greens.

As goes for the chickens, goes for the hogs and cattle.

When I looked up the time for the omega 3:6 to change when animals moved from grazing to feedlot, the change over seems to be at 3 months on feedlot. NOT LONG.

Finding grassfed beef in the market is getting easier; seems to be shipped in from AUstralia. Why does all our cattle go to feed lots here??? I dont have an answer. I did hear of a man imprisioned for standing up to the BLM trying to keep access to the acres of government land leased to cattlemen. Why were so many herds restricted from this land? What is that land going to be used for? What could be more important that a healthy source of feed for the cattle? Many herds have been totally culled due to this. How does this support our food sources??

Fats from grassfed hogs, cattle and chickens is what was on the table 100 years ago. ANd a short trip from pen to table too. FRESH. ANd all the animal was utilized. Not just meat, but the organs too; chicken feet make marvelous soups. The grass fed livestock have a better omega 3:6 ratio-- a natural one.

Over the last 8 years I have learned to do all the steps of putting food on the table; I am more thankful for my food than ever before, meaning each gets a prayer of thanks. ANd I use everything, NOthing is wasted. OR I am continueing to learn better practices toward using everything but the squeal.

Only know of two farms that raise grassfed hogs; otherwise there are the wild/feral hogs in the southeast, and maybe else where that fend for themselves, and that does not mean eating grains.

The lectures by Dr Bergman fits my personal exerience; in that what I know fits with what he says; such that I am inclined to beleive much of what else he has to say.

Vaccinations. To be brief. My pediatrition does not ask if anyone in the fam ily has a problem with vaccines. WHen I tried to have a reasonable discussion he raised here voice to shut me up with conspiracy theory mumbo jumbo. I KNOW FOR A FACT that vaccinations of foals were delayed because the vaccines were negating the protection from their mothers milk conrfirred when that baby drinks within 12 hours of birth. I asked what I thought was an intelligent question-- only to be shut up.

All the vaccines contained thimerisol. THE ONE drug I am allergic to. I now have a son with autistic issues. I now question the validity and the safety of vaccines. Im not against them, but I do understand those parents that have decided to NOT vaccinate.

I would like to see a more spread out schedule; and fewer diseases vaccinated against. THis is what is now done with dogs and horses; We dont vaccinate unless there is an outbreak in the area or the animal is shipping into an area where the disease is common.

Food for thought.
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more to think about---

How to Heal from Cancer & Prevention
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DH gave me a quick run by of his PSA numbers, like I can remember them! The bottom line is that neiither the FIRST nor the second, which was LESS than the first are 4 or over....... flies in the face of recommendations!!!!!!!

Especially as PSAs are not recommended as an effective screening test since...... about 2000. DOH.

Caused a lot of anxiety.

Husband to be tested again at his annual in a year..... really????
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From https://www.cancer.gov/types/prostate/psa-fact-sheet#q3

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However, as more was learned about both the benefits and harms of prostate cancer screening, a number of organizations began to caution against routine population screening. Most organizations recommend that men who are considering PSA screening first discuss the risks and benefits with their doctors.


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There is no specific normal or abnormal level of PSA in the blood, and levels may vary over time in the same man. In the past, most doctors considered PSA levels of 4.0 ng/mL and lower as normal. Therefore, if a man had a PSA level above 4.0 ng/mL, doctors would often recommend a prostate biopsy tDetecting prostate cancer early may not reduce the chance of dying from prostate cancer. When used in screening, the PSA test can help detect small tumors that do not cause symptoms. Finding a small tumor, however, may not necessarily reduce a man’s chance of dying from prostate cancer. Many tumors found through PSA testing grow so slowly that they are unlikely to threaten a man’s life. Detecting tumors that are not life threatening is called “overdiagnosis,” and treating these tumors is called “overtreatment.”

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Overtreatment exposes men unnecessarily to the potential complications and harmful side effects of treatments for early prostate cancer, including surgery and radiation therapy. The side effects of these treatments include urinary incontinence (inability to control urine flow), problems with bowel function, erectile dysfunction (loss of erections, or having erections that are inadequate for sexual intercourse), and infection.

In addition, finding cancer early may not help a man who has a fast-growing or aggressive tumor that may have spread to other parts of the body before being detected.o determine whether prostate cancer was present.


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wow, this is misleading. The studies show that this test is unreliable for determining prostate cancer. Given the risks of a biopsy, far better to wait for other symptoms to arise. And studies show that doing nothing doesn't change the outcome 5 years later.

BOTH times DH tested his number was less than 4. Scare tactic!

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