https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/eat...-101651156.html

Just a rehash of the JAMA article. Bad research to lump together real meats and processed meats, organic and conventional meats.....and thats jyst the beginning....

They try to vilify meat by just making propaganda because we all know that processed meat and fresh meat are totally different things. Besides, we won't be eating it with bread, fries or chips and soda.

I'm trying Carnivore now, should have died by week 3

Weak associations from new meat study grab headlines

https://www.dietdoctor.com/weak-ass...-grab-headlines

Given my weight, how much I consume in the way of that deadly artery clogging, cholesterol laden, saturated animal fats, not to mention how much meat I've consumed for years, I should have died decades ago.

In fact, I've apparently been dead since the 70's, when I did LC the first 2 times.

We Are All The Walking Dead.

Well, maybe we're just 3 percent deader. That does leave most of us free to post here.



https://jamanetwork.com/journals/ja...bstract/2759737

I don't know why we'd bother being upset here, almost no reason to explain the findings as due to other things that might have been eaten with the meat etc. The difference is so weak anyways, even if it were true, the odds of benefiting from avoiding meat are so low, who cares?



I don't think there's any real reason not to lump organic and conventional meat together, I don't think there's much difference in the effect on health. I think either one could probably be harmful or helpful--not because they're bad or good in and of themselves, but because when the overall dietary pattern is poor, any food might be overconsumed and contribute to poor health. No need to throw conventional meat under the bus in favour of organic or grassfed when it hasn't been established that there's anything wrong with it, at least health-wise.

Show me a sandwich without bread, a steak without the potato, a burger without the bun.

How can anyone tease out such distinctions when the whole thing is a sea of carbage?

I spent months looking into the nutrient difference between organic grass fed and conventional meats.....there is a clear difference. There are several studies quoted by Dr Amen supporting omega 3 supplementation in autistic children; The levels of vit C are higher which helps with absorption of iron, etc. There is a reason why I raise my own lamb, turkey, duck and chicken.

However, you are entitled to your opinion.

It seems to me likely that organic meat probably is better in quality than conventional, but for a lot of people on limited incomes/food budgets price is going to have a big effect on its accessibility. Better IMHO to eat conventional meat than none if those are the affordable options.

According to Mark Twain there are 3 kinds of lies

1. Lies
2. Damn Lies
3. Statistics

Without doing double-blind controlled experiments on humans, which of course is unethical, you can't make a definite conclusion.

So do the people in the study also drink soda? Eat donuts? Smoke? Drink excessive alcohol?

I read an article a few weeks ago that a major hospital study on people who died of heart attacks found that 75% had low LDL levels, pointing to the conclusion that LDL is not a valid theoretical danger to the circulatory system.

Of course it could be propaganda too.

Who do you believe? Without proper studies you don't know for sure. Animal studies are helpful, and as far as I know, no animal study has shown eating meat is dangerous.

Bob

Pay the Farma' now or the Pharma later.

I eat conventional, too, but know the negative impact. What one can afford doesnt change which one is better, for our health, and the land/environment.

Exactly! In America people eating the SAD diet including red meat (in a bun?) are different from people who care about their health enough to eliminate things they believe are unhealthy such as red meat, animal foods, tobacco, sedentary behavior, etc. I read someplace (a long time ago in a galaxy far far away) about a study done in China, as I recall, comparing vegetarians (due to religion there not health beliefs) and meat eaters. No health differences were found there without having a healthy user bias favoring vegetarianism. Population studies...not so great.

Instead of looking at vegetarians/meat-eaters, the nutritionists should be comparing vegetarian/carnivores. All the SAD eaters are grouped as meat-eaters even though most of what they eat are not meat products.