It is extraordinary that meat has become so vilified. I can eat a 1/2 to a full pound of grassfed hamburger -with mustard and pickles- at a meal. And that's often my ONLY meal. And it has done nothing but wonders for my health.

Tried a whey protein shake for the first time in a long time, and I was very pleased with how easy and tasty it was. More at my journal for the detail oriented.

From VOX, a new to me media outlet.

UNC-Gillings School of public health has published a meta-analysis of 75 studies, involving over 400,000 patients, studying the risk of obesity.

The study https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi....1111/obr.13128

PR: https://sph.unc.edu/sph-news/obesit...-complications/

Science Daily: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releas...00826083015.htm


Obesity increases risk of complications from Covid-19, damages vaccine efficacy, study finds


https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/26/heal...isks/index.html

That's a new one. And deeply troubling.

If the immune system cant cope with covid because the body is unhealthy, then it cannot cope well with many similar entitities. Like a vaccine.

Many members here have mentioned their lack of colds and flu since becoming dedicated to LC. Hinting at a healthy body is well equipped to stop such invaders.

A vaccine is simply a weakened virus or bacteria. So it comes down to , can the body effectively move thru the multi step process to stop the virus ir bacteria.

A recent nrws piece on NPR reported the current worldwide standing on polio. Thru a huge effort all WILD sources of polio has been eliminated. A remarkable feat. The discussion did mention that the polio vaccine can cause polio in suseptable people. So I want to know if the covid vaccibe will give a suseptable person the illness?

Sure dont remember the pediatrition telling me the real risks of any vaccine. Like the handout absolves them of any liability. Actually they are not liable under current laws.

So is a doctor really looking out for me and mine, or just following a set government protocol . And the government cannot be sued as we know it.

I have had more indepth discussions with vets on vaccinating horses and sheep than my pediatrition about my kids.

( Im not anti-vaccine. Rather pro full disclosure.)

This new covid vaccine is likely no better than the flu vaccines. Other vaccines are far more effective. But this has already mutated and so a vaccine, if this is like the flu and not polio, maybe like the flu which is only 40% effective.

Seems like going after optimal health is the best option.

Just my thinking on this.

The fact that all vaccines are less effective for the obese has been known for a while - this is an article from 2017:

https://www.health.harvard.edu/dise...ese-individuals

How this applies to the current virus is that even though they don't have a fully approved and tested vaccine for covid19, they're extrapolating that it will very likely be less effective in the obese.

However, there's also this:

Why does the Coronavirus hit men harder?

So women in general have a more robust immune system, which is why even if they get this virus, they're less likely to die from it.

I'm not saying that cancels out any compromised immunity due to obesity (or age, or any other co-morbidities), but there are so many factors involved in immunity, including the individual body's typical response to contagion.

So if you don't normally get a flu shot, and yet never get the flu (despite not taking any extra precautions such as obsessive hand washing, or avoid touching potentially contaminated surfaces, such as door knobs), chances are you might have a stronger immune system. If you rarely get a cold even though you're frequently around people who have colds, chances are you might have a stronger immune system. Many of us on here theorize that since all the (so far) known risk factors involved in the most mobidities from covid are inflammation related, it's possible that because a low carb diet reduces inflammation, that could very possibly give us an extra edge against the virus, so that if we do catch it, we'll have a milder version of it, and no long term repercussions from it.

Despite all the risk factors that any individual might have, what we see in the articles only shows trends, not an definite picture of any individual's reaction to it, so it's still a very individual thing, and also depends on many other factors, including how much of a viral load you've been exposed to, and how long you're exposed to it, etc. Being young and healthy with zero physical problems is also not a free pass. I know of one very healthy young man in his mid-30's, who was in very good shape (ran marathons), but went from very mild symptoms on a Saturday to so ill he needed to be hospitalized by Tuesday morning, was on a vent by that afternoon, and died just a few hours after that (5 days after the first symptom). Then there are the people in their 90's, even some over 100 who have survived it.

I worry that the TOFI,s have been misled to beleive they are healthy because of their low BMI.

BMI says nothing about inflamnation in the body.

DH and I are eating keto as a strategy for our respective health issues, and it turns out the key to it all is mitochondrial health.

The excellent Tuit Nutrition person, Amy Berger, has a long series about it regarding cancer, but it's pertinent to overall health, and inflammation.

http://www.tuitnutrition.com/2014/1...ria-damage.html

In short, if your mitochondria ain't happy, ain't nobody happy!

Im big on cancer. So eager to read. When I had appointments at Dana Farber they only have treatments, no preventions. VERY DISAPPOINTING. As my mother has had two bouts of breast cancer, all treated at DF, her treatment has not been stellar. The fact that she had it a second time fits with typical outcomes. (She was never told fasting enhances treatment.)

Thanks for all the good advice for my surgery! Turned out husband wasn't even able to take me to the hospital - he has a pinched nerve with excruciating pain in the left arm & is on prescription painkillers. So I drove myself & friends came the next day to pick me up & drive my car home.

I was able to choose low carb meals from the a la carte menu (something they didn't have last time I was in the hospital) & it was surprisingly good!

It was a good thing I was alert enough to ask questions - something the nurses didn't seem to expect. I asked about everything they wanted to inject in me. It was usually fine - until one of the nurses pulled out some insulin! He said my bg was up to 170 (this was only a few hours after I got out of surgery) & it was on the list to give to me. Tho I had emphatically said to anyone & everyone that I didn't want insulin. Told the nurse that my bg would go down to normal soon, so he didn't give me any. And I was right - my bg kept going down until it hit normal for me - 107. Had I not been alert he would have given it to me. Good reason to have someone with you after surgery - not everyone is as lucky as I was.

Now I know what to prepare for when the other artery gets reamed out.

Bonnie - Glad everything went ok and that you are now home. It's also good to know that you actually had some food choices you could eat. Being a knowledgable patient is the best protection we can have. Hope your husband recovers quickly.

Good to hear you are doing well post surgery. Intersting that a separate menu was available. Glad you are home again.

That's amazing. Bounce back soon!

An annual Europe Obesity Conference is being held virtually, and a number of studies on Obesity and CoVid are in the press. This one gets to the why:

Overlap between immunology of COVID and obesity could explain the increased risk of death in people living with obesity



https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020...sity-death.html