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Old Thu, Nov-21-19, 09:07
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Good points Calianna.

And then when they are faced with "get your affairs in order" it's way too late to change. I'm sure some of them think, "If only I had _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _."

And until we get to that point, we all seem to feel we are immortal, even if we know we aren't. I see young and old people smoking cigarettes, speeders on the most dangerous road in the county, and indulging in a lot of other instant gratification behavior that could have a drastic negative impact on the length of their lives.

But I remember when everybody smoked (including myself) was the thought "it won't get me" and that was reinforced by somebody we know or know about who smoked a pack a day until they died at 100 years old.

I quit carbs 'cold turkey'. I was trying other different ways to lose, my DW went low carb for a different health issue (she's never been overweight) and lost weight and seeing my frustration on being almost a vegetarian, she suggested that I might want to try reducing my carbs.

I did some research, and immediately cut back to Atkins Induction. I tried maintenance, but over 20 weighs on me so I've been induction since then, only now we call it Keto.

OK it was hard to give up Welch's Grape Juice, bread and fried potatoes. But I figured if I was going to give it a try, I'd have to jump in with both feet.

Decades later, I don't miss the grape juice anymore, but sometimes those French Fries look good, especially if they are greasy and crisp. But I know it's like poison ivy, "You can look but you better not touch."

I understand not everybody can do that.

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Old Thu, Nov-21-19, 09:22
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What I am hearing here is: lack of education at many levels.

Most of us have been trained to follow doctors orders without question. And the doctors expect us to follow without question. Imo there has been little change in this relationship.

While some doctors maybe changing tacts, the average patient doesnt have the in depth understanding of medicine and treatment to make a good decision. The risk of limb amputation has become the normal expectation. Too little emphasis is put on the fact that Type 2 diabetes is curable, or at least very manageable, with a diet change, allowin a vast decrease in the amount of insulin required to nanage blood glucose. We on this forum know this, but it is not common knowledge. Even the primary doctors are behind the times. My doc simply mentions my A1c has increased. End of discussion. I cannot engage in a LC discussion with my primary. Frustating .

A good friend is a type 1. Obviously she is dependant on i nsulin. A pump. Her weight has steadily climbed over the some ten years I have known her. The junk food is everywhere. The chips, the ice cream, the pizza, etc. Somewhere lack of information and interest in better health has passed by this friend. My input is not valued. Im not a doctor. I had to get over knowing I will loose this friend far too soon. She is a gem.

It is the MDs that can bring the biggest changes to the ever growing disease profile of the people. Yes, a growing group is circumventing their training and freely sharing their new found view. However those that follow the standard doctrine makes these champions of change just a drop in the bucket. Again, the biggest impact will be from the top down....or it could be.

It may be that change will come from the bottom up. That will be a very slow change. With huge cost to health , that could be reversed right now, immediately, IF the top controllers changed their priorities.

Until that happens, the few continue on with the grassroots effort, sharing and talking and increasing their numbers. Im all for that, of course.

But the government will have the biggest say, as they have since setting policy in the 1970-s in the US.

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Old Thu, Nov-21-19, 09:51
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Another element which cannot be discarded is that we are a little over into a century of Consumer Culture. It has convinced the weak-minded that they can choose their favorite facts the same way they choose their coffee or their hairstyle.

Even if they don't articulate it, I see it on their face. "But I don't want to give up my xyz! These other people say..."

Personal choice is a great thing. But it doesn't apply to facts.


This is really, really true. It doesn't take a lot of guesswork to figure out that there are never coupons for food that is healthy, or rarely. People are really beholden to consumer systems that place their health last.

My mother's doctor won't administer an A1C test to her. I think it's a matter of pride or something. He doesn't see her crashing blood sugar or the fact that her lunch yesterday (after she crashed and burned from a carby breakfast) was a 16 ounce Coke, a bag of Cheetos and a candy bar. But her blood pressure is controlled on medication and her BG when he measures it is always "fine." He said she's "too healthy" to have her A1C tested.
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Old Thu, Nov-21-19, 10:08
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but sometimes those French Fries look good, especially if they are greasy and crisp. But I know it's like poison ivy, "You can look but you better not touch."

I understand not everybody can do that.


Well, that's what conventional wisdom says, i.e. one of the big complaints experts have about keto is that it's supposedly hard to stick to long term. But for people like me, it's much easier to stick to low carb than moderation. I cannot eat carbs in moderation. I'm an addict. I think there are a lot more of us than the experts care to admit.
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Old Thu, Nov-21-19, 10:11
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OMG...........another example of lack of knowledge by a medical doctor.


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Watching a few minutes of the inquiry and over a week of much coverage, noticed how thin and trim everyone is. All at a normal body weight. A rare heavy person was very noticeable and a standout among others.

Wonder how this will affect congressional view of LC and keto as a treatment method....
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Old Thu, Nov-21-19, 20:52
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Don't forget, the information sent to the doctors from the AMA has been corrupted by tacit bribes. And even the doctors are influenced by Big Pharma with tacit bribes. Quid pro quo is not stated, but understood.

You are in charge of your health, you have a doctor to help you.

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Old Fri, Nov-22-19, 04:33
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Doctors are going to have to change, actually. Because people think their training is about them learning. When it is actually about them memorizing.

Yes, doctors need to be able to access giant swathes of information. But now ALL of that is in the palm of most people's hands. Updated. Easily accessible.

I'm slowly regaining my health by reading studies on the Web. Trying stuff out. Very little help from doctors who, according to many low-carb-aware doctors, aren't trained to heal anyone.

Their training is all about matching symptoms with a prescription drug that masks the symptoms. So we can get sicker or what? Are they being taught that nothing can be done?
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Old Fri, Nov-22-19, 08:37
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The main problems are the recognized 'experts' who are all experts on low-fat, no-red-meat, and statins. The medical establishment is controlled by what those experts say and recommend.
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Old Fri, Nov-22-19, 09:42
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You are in charge of your health, you have a doctor to help you.


Ive not found this to be true.

Took son for stitches. Doctor insisted on glue. My son picked it off in hours, back to ER, for stitches.

Took son to a specialist at UMASS , a teaching hospital, doc didnt see son was bad enough fir surgucal repair, so doc was not interested in identifyong the probkem and how to prevent further orogression. He was thrilled to show pics of recent surgury instead. Like he deserved a medal. I wanted to help my son have a better structured chest....not surgery. It was surgery or nothing.

I rarely use doctors, most are useless. I have shopped around and found a rare good one.
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