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Old Tue, Aug-02-22, 08:46
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I find the whole vegan thing fascinating, since I sympathize with the humanitarian goals.

But I get angry because they can live in a fantasy world where our domestic cats and dogs "go vegan" with us and we all live happily ever after but there not a single fact in favor of this ever actually happening.

Humane animal husbandry is the answer. But the vegans never go there.



Like grass fed- grass finished beef and lamb. Better for animals and land than feedlot options.

But.... Can consumers pay more than the cheaper conventional production methods?

I keep suggesting more families raise their own meat chickens..... And layers. Hens are a super gateway animal to self sufficiency. Great scrap eaters....
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I find the whole vegan thing fascinating, since I sympathize with the humanitarian goals.

But I get angry because they can live in a fantasy world where our domestic cats and dogs "go vegan" with us and we all live happily ever after but there not a single fact in favor of this ever actually happening.

Humane animal husbandry is the answer. But the vegans never go there.

EXACTLY

If it weren't for carnivores and omnivores we would lose the balance.

I know a guy who has thousands of acres of cows. They eat grass all year with no fear of predators. When it comes to slaughter time, they are led down curving paths in a way that they don't know what's coming, and the cow behind doesn't see. One blow to the head and the cow is instantly killed. That's a lot better than having a mountain lion on your throat or pack of wolves nipping at your leg tendons.
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One blow to the head and the cow is instantly killed. That's a lot better than having a mountain lion on your throat or pack of wolves nipping at your leg tendons.


One humane farming blogger I know wrote One Bad Day. It's a similar sentiment.

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“May all your animals live a glorious life, with just one bad day.” – Joel Salatin


One Bad Day – Why We Need to Raise Animals Humanely
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Joel Salatin's approach follows the original methods of using animal waste to fertilize the plants.

If eating animals were prohibited, we'd need to mine a lot of potash to grow 10X more plants to replace the meat that we were eating.
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