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Old Mon, Nov-22-21, 11:22
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Default It's not cholesterol after all that is bad

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/ja...bstract/2786333

Conclusions and Relevance In this cohort study, risk of MI was best captured by the number of apoB-containing lipoproteins, independent from lipid content (cholesterol or TG) or type of lipoprotein (LDL or TG-rich). This suggests that apoB may be the primary driver of atherosclerosis and that lowering the concentration of all apoB-containing lipoproteins should be the focus of therapeutic strategies.
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Old Mon, Nov-22-21, 12:08
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It's not the cholesterol at all, it's the sugars.

I don't remember where I read this, but this is the conclusion. The sugar AND the insulin BOTH burn the inside of your blood vessels and your body creates the cholesterol to line the inside of those vessels to put a 'band-aid' on the wound.

(Of course, almost everything you read is written by someone with an agenda.)
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I've always thought of cholesterol as the body's bandage--a way of patching structural weaknesses of blood vessels and cells. Sort of like patches on a tire. But in cholesterol's case it's to protect and bridge the weakness so the body has time to heal.

But when cholesterol and glucose/sugar mix, the patch looses its flexibility and that constant damage causes cholesterol to overdo...sort of like using too much plaster when patching drywall; it causes buildup and thick spots. The patch becomes noticeable and unsightly...and in cholesterol's case narrows passages and results in obstructions.

I always took note of the cholesterol /statin study in women/(nurses?)..it proved, to me, that cholesterol was protective. When cholesterol levels got closer to where the doctors thought cholesterol should be...of course no one's cholesterol got to the low level they were aiming for...the women started having strokes. They had to stop the study.

Another proof to me is that woman's cholesterol levels rise as they get older...IMO cholesterol is the reason that for years women have had lower heart attack rates than men. Those rates have risen dramatically with the advent of monitoring cholesterol to achieve ever lower levels and prescribing statins to women.

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Old Mon, Nov-22-21, 18:58
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proscribing statins to women.
I think you might have meant prescribing (as in giving) rather than proscribing (which means prohibiting.) These two words with opposite meanings are often mixed up these days, and it makes a big difference, as it would in your statement. Please me know if my correction is right or not, according to your intent.
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I think you might have meant prescribing (as in giving) rather than proscribing (which means prohibiting.) These two words with opposite meanings are often mixed up these days, and it makes a big difference, as it would in your statement. Please me know if my correction is right or not, according to your intent.

Fixed it. You were right. I thought it was wrong but there was no spell check error so I left it.

Thanks.
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Old Wed, Nov-24-21, 19:54
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Even spell check can be deadly

Auto-correct even worse.
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ROFL...too true ,Bob.

Dr Atkins wrote about a study where a dog, as the study animal, had insulin injected into one leg artery and saline in the other leg. The interior of the artery, the lining was all roughed up in the insulin artery, and smooth in the other.

This study left a lasting impression. It's the Insulin that is damaging. And .....whether a body is fat or thin is not important as Thin people have heart attacks, too.All about the insulin.
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I have read articles that called Insulin "The killer hormone" -- I think in Live Extension magazine (when Life Extension was still an .org and before it became a .com)
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ROFL...too true ,Bob.

Dr Atkins wrote about a study where a dog, as the study animal, had insulin injected into one leg artery and saline in the other leg. The interior of the artery, the lining was all roughed up in the insulin artery, and smooth in the other.

This study left a lasting impression. It's the Insulin that is damaging. And .....whether a body is fat or thin is not important as Thin people have heart attacks, too.All about the insulin.



Yeah, there are incidents where thin people with very low cholesterol (not medicated) have heart attacks.



This actually happened to an old friend of my parents. The husband was perpetually thin. His wife was always battling an extra 20-30 lbs.


His cholesterol was considered to be a very healthy low number. His wife's cholesterol was considered to be dangerously high. (This was back when a cholesterol number of 240 was only considered to be low borderline high.)



He's the one who ended up having a heart attack out of the blue, not her.


No idea what his blood sugar was like though.

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I always took note of the cholesterol /statin study in women/(nurses?)..it proved, to me, that cholesterol was protective. When cholesterol levels got closer to where the doctors thought cholesterol should be...of course no one's cholesterol got to the low level they were aiming for...the women started having strokes. They had to stop the study.

Another proof to me is that woman's cholesterol levels rise as they get older...IMO cholesterol is the reason that for years women have had lower heart attack rates than men. Those rates have risen dramatically with the advent of monitoring cholesterol to achieve ever lower levels and prescribing statins to women.


That was what my own GP old me before his retirement. He knew I already leaned that way, but this bolstered my own thoughts at the time.
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