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Default Ozempic ads seem to be everywhere. Doctors and ethics experts are worried

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The Canadian Press - June 20, 2023 6:32 a.m. EDT

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Ozempic ads seem to be everywhere. Doctors and ethics experts are worried about that


With ads popping up on TV, social media, giant billboards and at professional sports games, Canadians may be feeling bombarded by marketing for Ozempic and sister drug Rybelsus.

Some have taken to social media to document their most remarkable sightings, including Ozempic and Rybelsus ads wrapping entire streetcars and encircling the field at Toronto Blue Jays baseball games.

Both medications are semaglutide drugs manufactured by Novo Nordisk -- Ozempic is the injectable form and Rybelsus is the pill form. They're approved in Canada for treating Type 2 diabetes and often prescribed off-label to treat obesity.

But some doctors and medical ethics experts say the marketing campaign is too aggressive. They worry that such intense saturation of advertising could lead to pressure on doctors to prescribe Ozempic to patients who don't actually need it, leading to shortages for those who do.

They also worry that serious potential side-effects such as pancreatitis and gallbladder inflammation, although rare, could start to appear due to the sheer volume of people taking the drug.

"What the (company is) trying to do is to put the ads in so many places that it's very difficult to avoid seeing them," said Dr. Joel Lexchin, a professor emeritus at York University who studies pharmaceutical policy.

Health Canada allows pharmaceutical companies to run "reminder ads," Lexchin said. Advertisements can say the name of the drug but they can't say what conditions it treats. Instead, they urge people to ask their doctors about the drug.

Kate Hanna, a spokeswoman for Novo Nordisk's Canadian arm, told The Canadian Press on Monday that the national marketing campaign is aimed at people with Type 2 diabetes.

"Diabetes is not being effectively managed and this is not a niche market. Diabetes is a public health crisis," Hanna said.

"There really is a need to educate Canadians on Type 2 diabetes risk and support those living with the condition to engage their health-care professional for optimal disease care."

But the marketing influx comes on the heels of an explosion of unofficial Ozempic promotion for weight loss from social media influencers and celebrities. Canadian doctors and pharmacists have already confirmed an enormous increase in patients asking for the drug for that purpose.

The ever-present reminder ads are likely to prompt more people wanting to lose weight to put pressure on their doctors to prescribe Ozempic, even though they don't have diabetes or meet the clinical criteria for obesity, Lexchin said.

"It's not approved for treating somebody who wants to lose 10 or 15 pounds so that they can fit into a bathing suit or a tuxedo or what have you. But the ads that you're seeing don't tell you that," he said.

"You've tried to lose weight, you figure if you can get from 180 to 160 (pounds) you'll be in much better shape," Lexchin said. "You see one of these ads and you go see your doctor. And that's what this kind of advertising is designed to do."

Even diabetes and obesity specialists who praise Ozempic for its effectiveness in treating those conditions are worried about Novo Nordisk's marketing strategy.

"I'm not impressed," said Dr. Ehud Ur, an endocrinologist at St. Paul's Hospital and Vancouver General Hospital.

Ur noted that he has been involved with Novo Nordisk for "many different drugs" and that he's personally found the company's practices to be ethical.

But "the push to get everybody and their dog on Ozempic" is problematic, he said.

"We've never had a drug as good as Ozempic. But on the other hand we've never had so much interest and so much pressure on people to prescribe it," Ur said.

Like with all prescribed medications, doctors need to do a risk versus benefit assessment, he said.

According to the manufacturer's website, minor side-effects include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, constipation and abdominal pain.

More serious but rare risks include inflammation of the pancreas, gallbladder problems, kidney issues and low blood sugar. Animal studies found an association between Ozempic and thyroid tumours in rats, but it's not clear whether that's a real risk in humans.

For someone with diabetes or obesity, the risks of not getting effective treatment often outweigh the rare potential risks associated with Ozempic, Ur said.

But for someone who wants to lose 10 to 20 pounds for "cosmetic" reasons, the medical benefit may not be worth the risk.

"Where you are placed in that continuum of risk is really an important calculation for a physician," Ur said.

The problem with the mass Ozempic advertising campaign is that it cultivates an impression among people that it's a "wonder drug that's going to help them lose weight," he said.

If they convince their doctor to prescribe it, those patients "are now going to expose themselves to the risk of a medical intervention without a huge amount of medical benefit."

Huge demand for Ozempic could also create shortages for patients who rely on it for diabetes control, Ur said, noting he has patients who have already had trouble with the drug being on back order.

When asked to respond to that concern, Hanna of Novo Nordisk said the company is "ramping up our production to meet the demands."

She also said there are no current shortages in Canada.

Another issue, Ur said, is that mathematically, the more people who take the drug, the more likely it is that someone will suffer one of the rare side-effects.

"I think ultimately (Novo Nordisk) may be shooting themselves in the foot by this strategy," Ur said.

Despite the criticisms, the company's Ozempic marketing campaign complies with Canadian law, Health Canada said in an email on Monday.

"To date, (Health Canada) has assessed 30 complaints. The current advertisements of Ozempic that have been reviewed are deemed compliant with the current advertising provisions in Canada," the email said.

Both Lexchin and Ur said Canada should not allow any direct-to-consumer advertising for prescription drugs, similar to regulations in the U.K. and Europe.

Kerry Bowman, a bioethicist at the University of Toronto, said he finds the company's advertising blitz "disturbing."

"They're taking advantage of Canadian law because they're staying within the parameters of it, but not the spirit of it because, you know, the saturation of these ads is incredible," Bowman said.

"This is not about public health, this is not about well-being. This is about marketing and it is very, very much for profit. And so there's no question about that."


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I'm a huge Jays fan - it's currently in my userpic - and these ads are obnoxious.
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Advertisements can say the name of the drug but they can't say what conditions it treats. Instead, they urge people to ask their doctors about the drug.(...) "You've tried to lose weight, you figure if you can get from 180 to 160 (pounds) you'll be in much better shape," Lexchin said. "You see one of these ads and you go see your doctor. And that's what this kind of advertising is designed to do."

They're desperate to make it a household name and make it sound like everyone is taking it.

Cute that the Jays are also sponsored by Budweiser, Schneiders (meat company mostly known for sausages and hot dogs), Smuckers, A&W (burger chain) and Pizza Nova.
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What drives people off the drug are the mental effects, which I don't see in the article or any other official pronouncement. I've been seeing people sharing their experience, and there's a pattern.

At first, it's the gastro problems, and don't worry they have drugs for that if a person can't adjust. I have watched several people share how they hung in there for months with it, because "I don't think about food 24/7 when I'm on it."

That effect seems to be how Ozempic works its magic. You don't have to think about food and you don't think about food and you eat to hunger like you have a working metabolism.

I know! Of course it's better to actually have a working metabolism. Without upsetting the entire digestive tract. But it doesn't happen in weeks and eating real food won't make anyone enough money.

It takes a few months for the mental problems to occur, whether the gastro settles or not. If there was an existing problem, it comes back with a vengeance. If there's wasn't one, it's possibly worse, because the person doesn't recognize or understand what is happening, at the same time they are losing weight and sleeping better.

When the sleeping better starts to go they find it harder to fool their doctor. Most of the time, the doctor has to yank them off it. But people doing it without the supervision are still out there, and then it could get really bad. Because it's been months for many of these people, waiting to feel better, and all their problems resurging with a vengeance.

Including their messed up metabolism which is now terribly confused because they gain all the weight back with a rebound effect of more. Because now their sense of satiety might be messed up? They don't pay any attention to a truly healthy diet -- and I can't even blame them for not knowing that that even IS -- so protein constantly stays far too low. They lose muscle, too, on Ozempic. So, with rebound gain, they are actually fatter and will struggle harder the next time.

While all the while their body is screaming for nutrients, and still not getting it. Look at the stats on stuff like calcium and vitamin D. People have been scared away from dairy to the point that the Vitamin D supplementation in milk, passed as a public health measure, is no longer working on the population.

Even their ice cream doesn't have much real dairy in it. They've had to change so many labels to "quiescently frozen confection" because it is essentially a popsicle now.

Which means even a junk food diet, thirty years ago, was not as junky as the same thing, now.
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And here I had innocently thought that Canada did not have any type of drugs ads. Of course, the pharmaceutical industry figured out a way around it

Since I search for weight and Blood glucose type of information on the Internet, all the ads I see are about one of these weight loss medications. And evening news, everywhere!
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To expand on the nutritional wasteland offered in most food outlets, I did a bit of a survey.

I recently filled out a questionnaire for a local grocery chain. As a result of wanting to give them information on all departments, I went down all the aisles and looked at the ingredients. I haven't done this much since Atkins years ago had me drop most of the store.

Every so often DH will treat himself with coffee and bakery at a little shop in town. This treat doesn't give him heartburn, which helps him turn down far lesser treats. I know the baker, and he uses fresh fruit, with real butter and sugar and eggs.

That's why the list of ingredients in the bakery section were so long and horrifying. I had to go to the frozen case, with the specialty items, to find the kinds of ingredients at the kind of bakery which is so incredibly rare now.

Yes, even homemade treats were full of carbs and sugar, but now, that's ALL it is. Instead of butter or lard, it's seed oils. Instead of sugar, the even worse HFCS. What once was eggs and milk becomes chemical substitutes. This thing only looked like the stuff of my Midwestern childhood. Even their fruit pies were more like marshmallows floating in Jell-O.

I think you have to be as old as some of us to grasp how enormously our food landscape has changed.
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Animal studies found an association between Ozempic and thyroid tumours in rats, but it's not clear whether that's a real risk in humans.


And yet if they were doing a rat study that showed eating meat, real cheese, and butter showed any kind of negative effects in rats, the rat study would be worthy of glaring headlines about the deadly risk of those foods in the human diet.

Makes me wonder if the real reason behind not seeing thyroid tumors in rats as a potential risk for humans too is that Ozempic (and the rest of the semaglutide drug class) gives patients an aversion (vomiting) to eating meat and fats, so any other potential side effects are outweighed by the reduction in meat and fat consumption.
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In an interview dr Ken Berry said Weight Watchers bought a company that will prescribe Ozempic. He points out WW is a money making company. Period

I want good health. Not drugs.
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In an interview dr Ken Berry said Weight Watchers bought a company that will prescribe Ozempic. He points out WW is a money making company. Period

I want good health. Not drugs.


I hope what they're actually prescribing is Wegovy. It's the same thing as Ozempic, just a lower dosage prescribed for weight loss, so if the company that WW has prescribing Ozempic are not prescribing it for full blown diabetics, insurance will very likely not authorize it. (I know of someone that happened to - insurance rejected Ozempic, suggested Trulicity instead. Meanwhile, that person's spouse started on Wegovy last week... and after throwing up frequently the first night, has felt nauseous the rest of week.)

Wegovy has the same side effects as Ozempic (diarrhea, vomiting, constipation, nausea...), and based on how sick a friend was after the first dose of Wegovy, I can't imagine how bad diabetics must feel on the higher dosage Ozempic.

Honestly, from everything I've heard about the side effects, it sounds like the semaglutide drugs act like they're just a very expensive aversion therapy - you throw up/feel so nauseous that you can't eat much of anything without throwing up. Your stomach empties so slowly that you're not hungry anyway. According to the friend, some things don't even taste as good since starting the Wegovy.

Not that the friend can eat much, just starchy carbs and some fruit. Nutritionally speaking, just horrible.
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If I wasnt already convinced, constant nausea is off putting!!
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The friend joined the FB Wegovy group, and they say it's easier after the first week.

What they mean by "easier" is anyone's guess - whether it's that you don't get as sick or don't feel nauseous as long... or maybe it's just that you get used to feeling nauseous all the time after the first week.

The friend is eating a little more now than the first few days - still mostly carbs, but is hoping to branch out to some low fat dairy this week.
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I avoid social media, giant billboards and professional sports games and haven't seen any of these ads on Canadian TV channels. I usually record the few things I watch on US channels so I can FF through the ads, which are non-stop during old movies run after midnight.
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Honestly, from everything I've heard about the side effects, it sounds like the semaglutide drugs act like they're just a very expensive aversion therapy - you throw up/feel so nauseous that you can't eat much of anything without throwing up. Your stomach empties so slowly that you're not hungry anyway. According to the friend, some things don't even taste as good since starting the Wegovy.

Not that the friend can eat much, just starchy carbs and some fruit. Nutritionally speaking, just horrible.

Good lord, it sounds like Antabuse, but at least for alcoholics, they're otherwise better off as long as they successfully avoid alcohol. There are lots of healthy people born without the ability to produce the enzyme that Antabuse blocks.

It also reminds me of the Kimkins gang, who constantly chased the state of SNATT - slightly nauseous all the time. A bunch of them even printed up T shirts, IIRC.
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It also reminds me of the Kimkins gang, who constantly chased the state of SNATT - slightly nauseous all the time. A bunch of them even printed up T shirts, IIRC.


Kimkins! What a blast from the past. That scam made me notice how forums can be great or dangerous. Hat tip to our amazing mods! Without sense being applied, it's going to be an echo chamber.

I understand how it can happen. The stakes are so high, health and stamina, relationships, opportunities. We will do anything.

And before low carb, I was so confused.
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Makes me wonder if the real reason behind not seeing thyroid tumors in rats as a potential risk for humans too is that Ozempic (and the rest of the semaglutide drug class) gives patients an aversion (vomiting) to eating meat and fats, so any other potential side effects are outweighed by the reduction in meat and fat consumption.


They dream of that, don't they?

Best video I've found to explain its action.
Dr Sten https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHmRIEOWrHk

The nausea probably because the body is being told "you just ate!" Constantly.
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The friend actually mentioned how it was quite reminiscent of how it felt to be SNATT-y on Kimkins.

Yes, the pressure is extreme to get down to a normal weight, no matter what it takes, especially for those who already have health issues.
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