I agree ...

An all steak diet isn't healthy, though. I do see you ate a side salad, but, that's no where near sufficient.

No doubt what you were doing is a lot healthier than eating the full meal, but, it's still really unhealthy and it's responsible to say so. You should not misrepresent the LC diet as being appropriately followed if one eats that way (from McDonalds or from home - it's not about eggs, cheese, sausage, meat only).

Studies, please. The only clinical study done on this issue that I know of, the subject did very well on a year-long meat-only diet. I know it is politically correct to say that low-carb diets require lots of vegetables, and that Atkins himself was not immune to marketing pressures in this regard, but what are the facts?

Wyv

It is self evident that a diet consisting only of ground beef and other fast food, muscle flesh meat products is severely deficient in numerous nutrient factors. You won't find studies on such a diet for the same reason you won't find an all any-one-food diet study; it's obvious eating only one thing isn't as ideally healthy as eating a diet which includes more variety. Variety helps prevent deficiencies. (assuming food is all high quality naturally - soda and starch is not high quality food, in which case, the O.P increased his D.Q. by ommitting these items and eating more meat)

I think there is very little about nutrition that is self-evident, especially "common sense"/maintream/politically correct nutrition. I question it all.

A nice rare, fatty steak is complete protein and fat with lots of minerals and vitamins. It's probably one of the 2-3 most complete foods there is, the other being eggs. Granted the same probably can't always be said for a fast food patty that loses much of its healthy fat as well as other nutrients on the grill, due to mandated high temperature preparation. But it's not lack of nutrition that makes me skip lunch if the only thing available is fast food. It's the hydrogenated oil in the grill lube, and the fact that after you discard the bread and HFCS/MSG-loaded sauce from your burger all that's left is a little rubbery grey flap of a patty that's not worth the time it would take to choke it down.

Wyv

What about potential vitamins that are undiscovered yet? Without a varied diet you could be missing out on them. I mean PQQ wasnt discovered all that long ago, and it came decades after others were found. and of course the phytonutrients in vegetables and fruit. That why I personally try and get as many foods as possible, around 20 different vegetables and some fruits a day. I usually eat upto 26 different foods everyday.



I'd like to go over the nutritional quality of such a diet as was mentioned earlier in the thread. I have some software, If i had the names or links of the food eaten then I could see what was the deficiencies. A bit like this: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...oa182/DWIDP.jpg

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

If you recall, toward the end of the movie it says he consumed 30 pounds of sugar. A pound a day from soda and as additives. Now why add sugar to a salad. I know some dressings have sugar, but did they wash the lettuce in sugar water or something?

He also only did as much exercise as the "typical American". He took a taxi the first day because the closest McD was too far away to walk. He also had to eat everything on the menu at least once. But did he have to finish everything he purchased?

I did not like McD before, but now will never go there. It really opened my eyes to the amount of sugar added to fast foods. As we were watching this movie I also thought, is it the meat (as it seemed they were insinuating) or the accoutrement's that made him sick. I think we all know.

As you pointout, there may well be chemicals as yet undiscovered in foods that are needed, so how can a software analysis be complete as it only has the knowns. The USDA database is sadly lacking in having phytonutrients included.

It seems that there is a debate to be had here as to whether eating Atkins 'steak n fat' and salad is as good / bad as a beef patty and salad?

Anyone have any real evidence that this is a bad / good / acceptable thing?

I have no iodea what you are refering to but working in Macs as a kid they never used anything on the grill?

For those that did not read my post I did not say I ate burgers every day, I combined this with a fish and vegetable diet which was pretty much balanced. Its all about choices and making your diet accesptable and healhty. Whlst eating 'demon burger' I lost 40lbs and have never been so healthy. The real issue is that if you have too much of anything then its bad, even water!

I agree, a program isn't any "assurance" that you've got your minimums...

But eating most meals at mcdonalds and tossing the bun and subsisting on nothing but ground beef and stuff like that most certainly is not sufficient nutrition...

More likely to get the good nutrition with eating 26 or so different foods including upto 20 different vegetables, lean meat, yogurt, nuts etc.. than just eating a bun and meat at McDonalds... Right?