Who was Bear

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owsley_Stanley

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=287013

Interested in finding out who is still doing this plan & success rates....

The way I've been eating since May 6thish has settled into Kwasniewski's ratios for someone adapted to low protein, i.e. roughly 1 : 1.5 : 0.3 (for me, 60:90:20) for protein:fat:carb in grams. Mine are total carb, not net.

When I used the ON ratios (1:2.5-3.5:0.8) I gained 30 lbs over a year of that (though had several off plan days then, too).

I've been following this woe for a month or so and so far I feel great. Down a couple lbs, tonnes of energy, no hunger.

I'm 6 feet tall and 190 lbs at about 12% bodyfat. My normal ratios are 85g protein, 50g carbs, 250g fat. This equates to a little over 2700 calories per day.

1-2 weight training sessions per week. No cardio. Done and done.

I made a gradual start on this yesterday by increasing my fat & worked out my ratios to be
50g protein 120g fat 40 carb

I couldn't reach those levels yesterday but did eat a lot less protein and I feel better for that.

My menu was:
break sausages + egg + coffee wc
lunch: broccoli & mushrooms cooked in cream
Dinner: quiche (egg yolks, cream, grated cheese)+ salad
Coffee wc

Couldn't get my carbs up & didn't want to eat grains so eat 3 pieces of 85% dark chocolate.

Didn't feel hungry & slept properly for the 1st time in 2 weeks

What do you guys eat for carbs? Do you stay away from grains & eat potatoes?

I mostly eat potatoes, some fruit like berries, rice, and some corn tortillas on occasion. No gluten grains, and ZERO beans.

The hardest part for me is not going over on the protein. I eat tonnes of cream cheese, sour cream, heavy cream, coconut butter and coconut milk. Fry everything in lard, use egg yolks, and the fatty-est meat i can find.

Ive never been big on salad, or veggies in general.

Im also down another 1/2 pound today and i ate so much yesterday. This diet is jus awesome.

I'm like JordanS too. Get my carbs from root veggies and sometimes coconut butter - boy that stuff is good.
Plus I like sausages and sometimes they have carbs in there.
I will sometimes have a schoolboy-sized apple or some fruit.
don't like raw veggies, but sometimes make a roast vegetable medley in the wintertime and eat from it for days. that is good too!
I even have potato chips if I can find them cooked in sat fat like palm oil.

Also, for weight loss, fat is to be 2x the protein. So if protein is 50 g, then that would be 100 g fat.

I just wuv this plan.

Ah, thanks for the tip about the fat and great to hear you're all losing - I'm kind of half scared I'm going to gain 10lbs! But I can see why you love this plan.

I bought some almond flour today & am going to see what I can create with some egg yolks, splenda.

Fat can be lower than 2x the protein.
Kwasniewski publishes several different ratios.
For weight loss, it can go as low as 1.5x the protein.
Also, don't force-feed. If you're not hungry, you don't have to eat.

My advice to you is to experiment.

Yes definatly dont force feed. Dr. K advises against that.

Really, I just try to get my 85g protein, 50g carbs and then eat fat until i dont feel hungry. This usually works out to about 200 grams per day.

Mostly I dont really get hungry. More like Im feeling low energy and I need fuel. Kinda weird.

I like this plan. Keto breath gone, don't feel hungry and I'm losing - official weighing day is tomorrow, but I'm down 2lbs (or 3 possibly, because my weight was fluctuating upwards on atkins)

Am not sure how many carbs or calories I'm actually eating but I know carbs are fairly low. Have had some glasses of red wine too - what does Dr K say about wine, ?

I can't find his books on amazon (in English) but am going to try to find a source.

There is a thread on the sub forum, other plans, over at LCF that has a ton of info re this diet.
Start at the beginning for a fairly thorough explanation and some links.

Ok y'all are making want to try this. I think I've been eating too much protein, which is making crave carb's which I used not have an issue with. I need to get this fat moving! I'm stalled with a few more inches of fat to lose or about 20something lbs.

I would have to go look at the book, but off the top of my head - something about, Optimal eaters don't drink much. Maybe half a glass with dinner. After the change to this kind of nutrition, the effects of alcohol change anyway - slower to get high,not so much of a buzz for me anyway. Not worth it even. but I never did like wine. Lost my taste for beer. To me it feels like the good fat and protein crowds out all whatever it was that made me like alcohol, and now it's gone.