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  #196   ^
Old Sat, Apr-10-21, 13:03
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Plan: DDF, P:E
Stats: 237.5/198/150 Female 64
BF:55.7%/50.6%/?
Progress: 45%
Location: WA
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I started doing baseline 1 Apr. I try to eat below my BG but Iíve changed monitors and now my BG is higher...sigh.

I have dropped 3 pounds and I have no idea how? Will they help us determine the macros? I only signed up for one session, but maybe Iíll just upgrade to unlimited.

Hope I donít drive you all nuts hanging out here, but I want and need to lose fat and weight.

diane
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Old Sat, Apr-10-21, 18:23
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Plan: P:E/DDF
Stats: 225/150/169 Female 5' 9"
BF:45%/27%/25%
Progress: 134%
Location: NC
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Thud...Each time I saw the leaderboards yesterday, I would wonder...who is Eric? A real dark horse, he never posted! Just when we got use to you as Undule Amazing success, and on Fat Loss leaderboard too..so it's not water weight.

I am not on any leaderboard under any of my names so donít bother looking. This time, perfectly average 4 more pounds, and quite happy with that outcome

Welcome Diane! More the merrier. The DDF Manual...you should have that downloaded to overview ...has an entire section on WHAT to eat. The manual was totally rearranged into logical sections this challenge..so much better. You donít have to read it all now, but check topics of interest. As I wrote earlier in this thread, Dr Ted Naiman is an advisor to ON, and you are welcome to follow ANY diet, but his P:E ratio influences the general what to eat guidelines. I used the https://www.lowenergydiet.com/Tips.html version of it and bumbled along following the photos

You can use this calculator as a general guideline for macros, but lots of leeway when you figure out your meals and timing. https://optimisingnutrition.com/macro-calculator

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Old Sun, Apr-11-21, 08:17
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Plan: DDF (2021 Q4)
Stats: 168/92/82 Male 182cm
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I'm not sure why he used it, i told him Undule is my nom de guerre on Facebook and the one I post with so - hmph, he used the name on the email of the graph I sent him. Oh well, hopefully that amount of loss will not happen again as it only comes from being packed with water from eating like shit for a week or more.

Maint level now is good, easy to get 2 meals a day in, making my first meal a bit smaller to allow more on second. Waking BG continues to be under 100.

I had an interesting measurement after being out on the water in cold weather for hours - 66mg/dL and the meter said "hypo" I felt fine but was hungry, took shoved another stick in the meter and measured again with the same blood hole in my finger; 75mg/dL

I was not feeling shaky or anything, i never have experienced that but i was thinking about donuts! I stopped at a country butcher type place on the way home and got some smoked ham and pickles to eat on the drive home, then continue meal with some brats and kraut - and I only at 2 of the 4 - about 1/2 lb - normally I don't stop but thought i'd give it a go and see how i felt after putting the fork down for a while. Plus it was getting closer to bed time so I didn't want to botch my morning BG.

Anyway, Maint is fun!
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Old Sun, Apr-11-21, 12:38
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Plan: Very LC, Higher Protein
Stats: 227/186/185 Male 6' 0"
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Progress: 98%
Location: Herndon, VA
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You'll have a good time Iceberg - it's a little overwhelming and confusing at first but you'll get the hang of it by the end of the session haha! I'm going for another round as I signed up for unlimited. I'd like to get my BMI to 24.9 and see what my body fat is at that point - that's one of my "Why's" that you write down.

PS, I think I topped the chart on the percent bodyweight change unless there's someone with my name - lol - all water weight but the fat is starting to slowly get used up now, I can really tell.

Hoping I don't get BG too low during maintenance mode and binge on donuts. I notice that when my BG get's low (for me, into the 70's) I start to think about junk food, and sometimes in the past I have acted on that impulse. I likely will again but know i have a better clue where those thoughts might be coming from, not some distant memory of childhood trauma or something, it might be the BG dummy!

I'm going to re-base line when the time comes Apr 17 - i'm already getting all the re-reading and workbook started. I'll also review the manual and keep up with the guides - I've seen it all before but practice makes for better visceral understanding for me.

Good results. I'm convinced DDF is sound and provides feedback in the form of BG readings that people can use to eat or not. That's really what it comes down to, and I'll eat as much as I want from healthy protein, veggies, limited fat, and occasionally add a small amount of dairy, but when I'm eating this way, the other critically important element is when I eat. These two factors are making all the difference.

I agree with Bawdy, it's not all water weight and being able to see, feel, and experience the results confirms you're on the right path. That BMI goal is in your sights.

I'll start DDF on 17 April as well with my self-managed (non FB) approach) by sharing progress here as my primary social medium.
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Old Sun, Apr-11-21, 13:08
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Plan: Very LC, Higher Protein
Stats: 227/186/185 Male 6' 0"
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A massive overhaul, organization into sections, and general "buffing up" of the DDF manual. Posted on the Optimising Nutrition website, the first section: What makes DDF different?

https://optimisingnutrition.com/wha...nt-faq-part-1-2

Janet, this is a much better presentation due to the improved organization. Thanks for the link.
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Old Sun, Apr-11-21, 19:45
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Plan: DDF, P:E
Stats: 237.5/198/150 Female 64
BF:55.7%/50.6%/?
Progress: 45%
Location: WA
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I had printed out the previous version of the handbook, so will reprint and re-read...glad Iím now retired so I have the time.

I bought the contour monitor and my readings are now more like pre-diabetes. So Iíll do my best for this week in eating below my trigger, but Iím sure Iíll have to do my baseline again.

I love this type forum for support as Iím not very familiar with FB.

Diane
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Old Mon, Apr-12-21, 10:02
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Plan: DDF, P:E
Stats: 237.5/198/150 Female 64
BF:55.7%/50.6%/?
Progress: 45%
Location: WA
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Do vitamins and supplements affect BG? Anyone know? Would they cause us to break a fast? Iím extremely low in D3 and take large doses. I also take O3, a multivitamin, vitamin C, B complex and calcium and magnesium.

d
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Old Mon, Apr-12-21, 11:00
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Plan: DDF (2021 Q4)
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Iceberg

Vitamins, Supplements affect BG - I have no idea

Just practice with the monitor I wouldn't start messing around with trying the program just yet. I'd suggests re-baseline on Day One and follow along, things will unfold from there as far as what to do and when to end and go into maintenance, pause or continue working with trigger.

Relax and have fun.
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Old Mon, Apr-12-21, 16:51
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Plan: DDF, P:E
Stats: 237.5/198/150 Female 64
BF:55.7%/50.6%/?
Progress: 45%
Location: WA
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Iceberg

Relax and have fun.


I'll try...
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Old Mon, Apr-12-21, 17:36
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Plan: P:E/DDF
Stats: 225/150/169 Female 5' 9"
BF:45%/27%/25%
Progress: 134%
Location: NC
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Never gave supplements a thought. I will continue to take them regardless of impact on BG, so it didnít matter. I also take therapeutic levels of Vit D, and was popping extra this winter due Covid stories...Friday my blood test came back at 100! OK, time to back off my doctor is happy with 50-100, but I overdid this winter.

I first realized my Vit D levels had finally improved after about nine months on LC/Paleo...switch to natural fats, no processed seed oils like corn or vegetable...but coconut, avocado, lard, etc. and took high levels of Vit D 3 gelcap supplements. Not that prescription Vit D 2..useless.

Good long standing Vit D thread: https://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=396439
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Old Mon, Apr-12-21, 23:21
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Plan: LerC, TRE, IF
Stats: 150/126/120 Female 64 inches
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Progress: 80%
Location: the North, England
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Do vitamins and supplements affect BG? Anyone know? Would they cause us to break a fast? Iím extremely low in D3 and take large doses. I also take O3, a multivitamin, vitamin C, B complex and calcium and magnesium.

d


I have been doing old-fashioned by-the-clock fasting for years and the advice on my fasting group is that anything prescribed must be taken as instructed, whether in the fast or with a meal; whereas anything elective should be taken with a meal unless it specifically says on the bottle that it must be taken on an empty stomach.

Though it would be interesting to know the result of anyone does test say, a vitamin D capsule.
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Old Tue, Apr-13-21, 06:59
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Plan: DDF (2021 Q4)
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I have been doing old-fashioned by-the-clock fasting for years and the advice on my fasting group is that anything prescribed must be taken as instructed, whether in the fast or with a meal; whereas anything elective should be taken with a meal unless it specifically says on the bottle that it must be taken on an empty stomach.

Though it would be interesting to know the result of anyone does test say, a vitamin D capsule.

I'd guess any change would be lost in the noise of +- 15% glucose meter wavering. Not worth chasing that for me. I do take some basic daily supplements with meals: mag, D, K (winter) and multi
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Old Tue, Apr-13-21, 07:37
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Plan: Very LC, Higher Protein
Stats: 227/186/185 Male 6' 0"
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Progress: 98%
Location: Herndon, VA
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Never gave supplements a thought. I will continue to take them regardless of impact on BG, so it didnít matter. I also take therapeutic levels of Vit D, and was popping extra this winter due Covid stories...Friday my blood test came back at 100! OK, time to back off my doctor is happy with 50-100, but I overdid this winter.


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I'd guess any change would be lost in the noise of +- 15% glucose meter wavering. Not worth chasing that for me. I do take some basic daily supplements with meals: mag, D, K (winter) and multi

I agree. Matter of fact, I gradually started some supplements after having been on low carb for a few years while reducing BG levels. I'm convinced the supplements I take have no bearing or influence on my BG readings. The supplements I currently take are magnesium, D3, and K2.

Also, IF or time-restricted eating works to lower BG as long as you're controlling what you're consuming during your eating windows. It's proven and works very consistently for humans.
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Old Thu, Apr-15-21, 10:07
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Plan: P:E/DDF
Stats: 225/150/169 Female 5' 9"
BF:45%/27%/25%
Progress: 134%
Location: NC
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How is maintenance going for you? I decided to pause completely, no finger pricks, back on that naughty wine with dinner, some dark chocolate and yet I was only up a pound this morning. Iíll take it! I am fasting until 11-noon, so maybe the days total is balanced by less intake of the bad things.

910 people signed up so far for the Challenge that starts Saturday.

Marty knows I Admin another FB group and asked me to moderate in this challenge. It's a fun group, but now I feel compelled to crank out some more progress, break 160 or bust

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Old Thu, Apr-15-21, 15:55
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Plan: Very LC, Higher Protein
Stats: 227/186/185 Male 6' 0"
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Progress: 98%
Location: Herndon, VA
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Marty knows how to choose good people. Sounds like a great group.
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