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Old Wed, Jun-21-06, 21:41
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Default Protein in Urine scare!!!!

Hi all,
I guess when I first posted this I should have followed my original plan of counting 99 carbs and not go under. I read from some here that 99 was too much so I lowered my count to 40-60 carbs a day. It only took me 6 weeks to lose 20 lbs but I just got out of hospital because my blood pressure was plummeting to 80's over 40's and I was so weak and dizzy I could not even do anything. Dr said I had protein in my urine and it most likely was from not eating enough carbs which were over taxing my kidneys. Now I have to go to a kidney specialist. Please everyone be careful because some of us should not be on low carb diet to the point it can damage our kidneys. And who can tell who this will happen to until it does. I will definitely make sure my daily carb count is now over 100 carbs. Actually whatever my Dr says this time around. Scared me to death!!! Everyone just be careful !!!! Ask your Dr first I learned the hard way how important that is.
Laura
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Old Wed, Jun-21-06, 22:18
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I never had any problems with protein in my urine from LC eating, I think that there might be another reason for your misfortune.
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Old Wed, Jun-21-06, 23:14
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Please Bobi I went to a reputable Dr and I trust his expertise . Be careful about the advice given. Not you in particular just all of should remember we are not Drs. I am convinced he knows his stuff. Regardless I intend to listen to him as he has not failed in being thorough and correct in diagnosing me for 30 some years and knows my medical history more than anyone I know. But thanx for trying.
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Hi all,
I guess when I first posted this I should have followed my original plan of counting 99 carbs and not go under. I read from some here that 99 was too much so I lowered my count to 40-60 carbs a day. It only took me 6 weeks to lose 20 lbs but I just got out of hospital because my blood pressure was plummeting to 80's over 40's and I was so weak and dizzy I could not even do anything. Dr said I had protein in my urine and it most likely was from not eating enough carbs which were over taxing my kidneys. Now I have to go to a kidney specialist. Please everyone be careful because some of us should not be on low carb diet to the point it can damage our kidneys. And who can tell who this will happen to until it does. I will definitely make sure my daily carb count is now over 100 carbs. Actually whatever my Dr says this time around. Scared me to death!!! Everyone just be careful !!!! Ask your Dr first I learned the hard way how important that is.
Laura

Interesting...

Did you know that there has never, ever been a proven case of kidney damage as the result of eating low carb?

Can you tell us exactly what form of kidney "damage" you have?
What were your BUN and creatinine before and after you began eating low carb?

Please forgive me if I sound as though I don't believe you, it's just rather strange that you will be making medical history. If you really do have protein in your urine, it is far more likely to be caused by a urinary tract infection - nothing to do with carbs or the lack of them.

And just FYI, carbs have no connection whatever with your kidneys. It is protein intake that needs to be monitored in folk with kidney failure. This is why Dr Atkins makes a point of saying that anyone with kidney failure cannot do Atkins. He also states clearly in his book that potential low carbers should have some basic blood tests (such as kidney function tests) before commencing a low carb eating plan.

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Old Thu, Jun-22-06, 01:28
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I wish you well Laura I really do, but blaming you current health condition on 6 weeks of semi low carb rather than anything you might have been doing for the previous 50 years seems a little extreme don't you think? Low carb is actually good for your kidneys unless you have a pre existing problem, and if your doctor suggests a lower carb intake "taxes your kidneys" he is misinformed at best.

Perhaps you would like to tell us a bit about your medical history and medication before we all accept that adopting a lower carb intake is in any way harmful?
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..... Actually whatever my Dr says this time around......


That is an extremely dangerous attitude. If you're actually concerned about the protein in your urine I suggest to take what your doctor says into consideration and do your own research to verify what s/he says before blindly following and believing it. Most doctors are incredibly misinformed, or underinformed when it comes to nutrition. It's usually not in their best interest to be informed.
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Old Thu, Jun-22-06, 04:55
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I have to say I agree with the above posters..it is odd that after ONLY 6 weeks this would happen unless there was a pre-existing condition. I have been lowcarbing for 2 years, without an issue of anykind...is it possible you were not eating properly? From what I read in your past posts, you were not following any set plan, you had your own modified versions - therefore how you can blame a particular low carb plan or eating method is beyond me.
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Why did you post this in the WAR ZONE?
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Old Thu, Jun-22-06, 07:38
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If your doctor's theory is correct, you will not get protein in your urine if you sugar your food. That just doesn't make sense.

The 'Low carb ruins your kidneys' statements that are on numerous web sites are based on eating too much protein being harmful to the kidneys, not on too little carbs. Medical studies done on people who consume much protein show that kidney function was better on the high protein diet.

If you want to know what is harmful to kidneys, go to a dialyzes center and ask what they had been eating before their kidneys started failing. It seems that the diet prefered by those whose kidneys failed is high carb.
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Old Thu, Jun-22-06, 07:47
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I work with doctors and have had long conversations with them regarding Atkins and low carb. An awful lot of them (including a gastroenterologist) havent a clue what Atkins or low carbing really entails "all that fat, cheese, meat and no veg?" They've just read the media reports. I've been on a mission to put them straight!

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Old Thu, Jun-22-06, 08:15
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Why did you post this in the WAR ZONE?


What a great observation! I missed that. I think we all know the answer to that, however!!
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Old Thu, Jun-22-06, 09:08
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What kind of protein? Is it coming from the kidneys or bladder lining or urethra or vulva? Normally kidneys don't waste protein. It's about the most important tissue of the body. Some conditions can produce very small protein molecules that are able to be filtered through the kidneys into the bladder.

Extremely low blood pressure can cause less blood flow into the kidneys, leading do kidney damage. Chronic renal failure often causes hypertension, the opposite of low blood pressure.

Cystitis will cause proteins to leak into the urine.

I'm not second-guessing your doctor. I'm sure he's doing what he knows to be best for you. It's easy to make disparaging remarks about a doctor when you aren't the patient and aren't suffering disease.

I'd be curious what a nephrologist or urologist might think of your symptoms. High protein diets will raise the BUN levels. Unfortunately BUN is one of the main kidney function tests. But there are others: creatine, phosphorus, etc. So if BUN is elevated from too much meat but no other renal enzymes are, then it might not be true renal disease. While on Atkins my BUN went to 40. When I quit eating meat the BUN dropped to 20. Are you on medications for blood pressure? Are you diabetic? Are you so fanatical that you never add salt to anything? :-) Any of these could affect the kidneys.

You posted that you're on the zone diet. That is not exactly a hiprotein diet.

I hope you post follow-ups on your condition.
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A low carb diet may prevent kidney issues in diabetics

Just saw another study that disproved any link between kidney problems and low carb, but I can't find it now. But doctors are just as gullible as the rest of the public is when it comes to nutritional issues.

Here's a good overview of the current hypothesis regarding high protein diets and renal failure: http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/25

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Dietary protein and renal strain

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Concerns about level of dietary protein and renal function are often presented in public health guidelines [59]. In addition to the claims that high protein intake causes renal disease, some studies have suggested that renal function may be negatively affected by routine consumption of high protein diets [72-75]. Although high protein diets cause changes in renal function (i.e., increased GFR) and several related endocrine factors [1,76,77] that may be harmful to individuals with renal disease [52,53], there is not sufficient research to extend these findings to healthy individuals with normal renal function at this time.

The lay public is often told that high protein diets "overwork" the kidney and may negatively impact renal function over time [78]. In addition, a number of highly regarded organizations appear to support this line of reasoning [79] given the physiological processes required for excretion of protein-related metabolic waste products to maintain homeostasis following consumption of protein at levels in excess of recommended amounts. Increased consumption of dietary protein is linearly related to the production of urea [80] and urea excretion is controlled by the kidney. These processes are of significant energetic cost to the kidney and represent the physiological "strain" associated with increased protein intake [81].

The word "strain" is misleading given its negative connotation. In a press release [82], one group asserted that increased dietary protein "strains" the kidney via increased urea production, and causes dehydration and accumulation of blood urea nitrogen. This press release also suggested that these events synergistically overwork the kidney and predispose humans to CKD. Scientific research is often misrepresented in this context. Research from our laboratory [83] which is cited in the press release, does not support these contentions. Rather, we found that habitual consumption of a high protein diet minimally affected hydration indices. Changes in total body water and renal function were not measured.

The concept that increased dietary protein leads to dehydration may have originated from an unsubstantiated extension of a 1954 review of the nitrogen balance literature [84]. This review focused on the design of survival rations for military operations in the desert or at sea, when water supply and energy intake are limited. Since the excretion of 1 gram of urea nitrogen requires 40 – 60 mL of additional water, increased protein intakes in the study translated into an increased water requirement (i.e., +250 mL water per 6 grams of dietary nitrogen in a 500 Kcal diet) for excretion of urea nitrogen. This increased fluid requirement is situation specific and is not necessarily applicable to individuals whose calorie and water intakes are adequate. Presently, we know of no studies executed in healthy individuals with normal renal function which demonstrate a clear relation between increased dietary protein intake and dehydration or a detrimental "strain" on the kidney. Therefore, claims that a high protein diet promotes dehydration or adversely "strains" the kidney remain speculative.

Evidence in healthy individuals

Although the efficacy of high protein diets for weight loss has been evaluated, there have been no reports of protein-induced diminutions in renal function despite subject populations that are generally at risk for kidney disease (e.g., dyslipidemia, obesity, hypertension) [14,15,22,85-87]. A randomized comparison of the effects of high and low protein diets on renal function in obese individuals suggested that high protein diets did not present a health concern with regard to renal function their study population [65]. In this study, 65 overweight, but otherwise healthy, subjects adhered to a low or high protein diet for six months. In the high protein group, both kidney size and GFR were significantly increased from that measured at baseline. No changes in albumin excretion were noted for either group and the authors concluded that, despite acute changes in renal function and size, high protein intake did not have detrimental effects on renal function in healthy individuals. Similar findings were recently reported by Boden et al. [88] in a study of 10 subjects who consumed their typical diet for 7 days followed by strict adherence to a high protein diet for 14 days. No significant changes were noted in serum or urinary creatinine and albumin excretion, suggesting no ill-effects of a high protein diet on renal function.

Athletes, particularly in sports requiring strength and power, consume high levels of dietary protein [89,90]. In fact, many athletes habitually consume protein in excess of 2.0 g/kg/day [91]. Supplementation with amino acids will further increase dietary protein levels in these individuals [92]. Yet there is no evidence that this population is at greater risk for kidney disease or losses in renal function [90]. Poortsmans and Dellalieux [93] found that protein intakes in the range of ~1.4–1.9 g/kg/day or 170–243% of the recommended dietary allowance did not impair renal function in a group of 37 athletes. We found no data in the scientific literature to link high protein intakes to increased risk for impaired kidney function in healthy, physically active men and women.

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Old Thu, Jun-22-06, 17:01
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Here is another good paper to shed some much needed illumination for your doctor (and of course for you too);

http://www.sportsnutritionsociety.o...-45-51-2004.pdf
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Old Thu, Jun-22-06, 17:25
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Wow! All the knowledgable people on this forum!! Ladybugs post got me checking out my reference books and the web for peace of mind...whew...I only needed to look to my lowcarb buddies to feel relieved
*she says with her tongue firmly planted in her cheek*
Some posts just aren't worth the finger strength to reply to...honestly!
*Notice also...Ladybugs has not been back*
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