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Old Wed, Feb-19-03, 13:37
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Default Converting from Atkins...help!

Ok, so i have done Atkins for almost 1 month and feel pretty good about it. Lost some weight, but the primary goal was not to lose weight, just to eat/feel better...i think that's happened. The problem is that 20 grams of carbs a day (or even 50) is just not enough for me. I enjoy pototoes, bread, rice, pasta, etc. too much to give them up completely. (at least that's the realization i came to) Plus i work out a lot, so i think the CALP WOE might me more suited for me. The main thing is that i stay almost completely away from soft drinks now and only drink water and also try to stay away for suger.

I haven't read too much about CALP, but someone did say this might be better suited for me. Something about a "reward" meal at night? Can anyone give me the quick run-down on it and maybe the differences between CALP and Atkins, i'd really appreciate it. Thanks!
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Old Wed, Feb-19-03, 14:02
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CAD/CALP Overview & General Rules

Many CAD/CALP forum members have asked me questions in various threads to which I gave some or all of the answers/explanations below. I thought it would be helpful to have them together in a new thread. Please read "Carb allergy vs Carb addiction", too.

Also, if you think the plan fits you, please by the book(s). You will refer to them many times.

CAD/CALP is a diet and life plan for carbohydrate addicts. The plan calls for 1-3 meals/snacks a day of low carb (induction level) meals, called complementary meals by the Hellers. In addition to the complementary meals allowed you are allowed one meal a day that contains carbs called a reward meal.

In the first book, CAD, the Hellers said at your reward meal you can have whatever you want, however much you want. They did make a passing mention to having a balanced meal. Of course carb addicts did not hear that and some used the reward meal as a carb binge. Carbs taken to the extreme and not in the presence of other foods can still affect insulin levels. Additionally fake sugars cause carb addicts to react as if they are true sugars.

Therefore, in the next two books, CALP and ? the Hellers clarified rules and fingered triggers, fake sugars, diet drinks, MSG, that can cause an insulin reaction and thus hunger, weight gains or stalls.

There are degrees of carb addiction and and uncontrollable appetites for carbs. However, Rachel Heller also tried Atkins and couldn't lose and even gained.

For a "true" carb addict, there is an escalating insulin surge that occurs with every incidence of eating or of the eating of carbs. Since insulin is the hunger hormone, hunger grows and grows even if you have just eaten. This chemically induced appetite can become uncontrollable.

So you see, it is the amount of carbs you eat each time but it is also the frequency with which you eat at all. Think of a superball that bounces higher each time it hits the floor. Now think of the well-meaning suggestion that you eat six times a day or that you take in more carbs.

This is why the Heller's have the various eating plans of two to four meals a day. Each carb addict needs to find his/her own eating program but no more than four times a day.

This is probably why, unknowingly, some Atkinsers refuse to leave induction even though their weight loss has stalled and their metabolism has lowered. They know instinctively and through experience that if they leave the strict carb levels of induction their hunger comes screaming back and they wind up binging.

Make sure your reward meal is balanced. That means approximately 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 of carbs (including dessert and alcohol), protein and vegetables. Also try to start your reward meal with a small salad. That way you won't get out of control. Also check your other meals for hidden carbs. Protein shakes and bars are not allowed on this diet because of possible reaction to sugar alcohols. Also diet soft drinks, sugarless gum and, in fact, all sugar substitutes are also limited due to insulin reactions. A carbohydrate addict is very insulin sensitive to sugars and sugar replacements. If you get them at your other meals, your insulin will surge and your appetite can get out of control at your reward meal. Remember insulin is the hunger hormone.

It is important to follow the one hour Reward Meal limit, that is what controls your insulin levels. You get used to it after a while. Do not stop and start your meal again later for dessert. Have your meal and then dessert. Also if you're eating in a restaurant, don't touch your beverage until your dinner comes, have them bring appetizers and entree together. When you are half done with your meal, order dessert, if you want it.

The reward meal can be moved to any time of the day for special occasions. The reward meal can also regularly be at any time of day you choose to fit with your lifestyle (business luncheons?); don't move it around except for special occasions/events. Some of my best weight loss on CAD was to have my reward meal every day for lunch. That strategy gave me a chance to work the extra carbs off through the rest of the day.

Alcohol is only allowed at the reward meal and subject to the constraints of the 60 minute limit. Beers, low carb or otherwise are only allowed at the reward meal. I think low carb beers have over 3 grams of carb/serving and are therefore restricted.

If you have cravings on CAD or have trouble stopping at your reward meal, you need to examine the non carb meals for hidden carbs. Also read "carb allergy vs carb addiction". Carbs (other than allowed foods) at non carb meals/snacks can cause insulin surges and rebound appetite/cravings. Shakes and bars are notorious for this effect in carbohydrate addicts.
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Old Wed, Feb-19-03, 15:44
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When Zuleika first started that thread, I strongly disagreed with some of the statements it holds.
I still disagree.

Firstly, she is implying that Atkins Induction may stall weight loss and lower metabolism.
I have never seen any evidence of this. Many folk choose to stay on Induction for long periods and have wonderful weight losses. Here, we tend to encourage folk to move on from Induction so that they can begin more easily to prepare for maintenance.

And many, many studies have proven that metabolism is increased by eating more often. Not more food, the same amount of food, split into smaller meals eaten more frequently.
Remember, what works for one person will not necessarily work for others and vice versa.

And I also think that the statement about hunger coming screaming back is just plain wrong. The many thousands of folk who have succeeded by following either Atkins, Protein Power, of the myriad other plans would also disagree with that.
I doubt very strongly that the Hellers mentioned that in any of their books.

I am not doing this to criticize the CAD/CALP plan. I know it works very well for many folk. But that does not mean other plans don't work. They do.


Jackal, if you go to "Which low carb plan is right for me?" at the right side of the screen, you'll not only find a summary of CAD/CALP, but summaries of other plans which might suit you. There are several that allow potatoes, bread etc.

Rosebud
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Old Wed, Feb-19-03, 21:27
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DISCLAIMER: THIS POST IS NOT INTENDED TO BASH ATKINS, OR ANY OTHER PLAN. I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME INCREDIBLY SENSITIVE PEOPLE ON THIS SITE SO I WILL REFRAIN FROM PUTTING IN ANYTHING OTHER THAN MY OPINIONS. NO FACTS WILL BE FOUND IN THIS POST. REPEAT: THESE ARE OPINIONS AND NOTHING MORE.
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If you are looking to lose weight quickly and healthily, Atkins is probably the best way to go.

However, I find that CAD/CALP is the best for eating for life (weight loss is a side benefit lol). The reason is because it allows you focus on your life and not about food. Food is meant to sustain life, but is also regarded as something enjoyable. Certain foods are comfort foods and some bring back memories. Whatever the reason, most people find it too hard to let go of any particular food group. The plan works, so it is not a matter of if it does, it is a matter of how well the plan works with your lifestyle.

Basically you are doing something that most low-carb AND low-fat plans do not allow. Enjoying any type of food that you desire EVERY SINGLE DAY. Lol, sounds like a gimmick but it is not.

Anyways, CAD/CALP is not for everyone. If you have allergies to foods, than a more restrictive woe would be the better idea. Those who wish to treat hyperinsulinemia (carb addiction through an insulin-resistance) are the ones who work the best with CAD/CALP.

So try it out for a month or two and see how you and your body likes it. If it works, great! If not, try something else. It really is all about what works for you.
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Old Thu, Feb-20-03, 11:13
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Yes, try it for one month like Cassie says, is my advice. I did Atkins for months and it is a great plan. I just prefer the CAD/CALP plan and find it fits my life a lot better than Atkins. Everyone has to find that one program that works best and then go with it.

I do advise reading the book, though. I imagine they have copies at your local library if you would rather read it first and not purchase it until you know more about the plan. There is so much information that you miss out on otherwise.
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