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Old Wed, Mar-13-19, 09:20
s93uv3h s93uv3h is offline
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How about Kailua Kona, Hawaii for a fasting retreat?

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Old Wed, Mar-13-19, 09:31
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How about Kailua Kona, Hawaii for a fasting retreat?



I just received an email about this. It's a little bit beyond my current and any future budgets. It is run by the IDM or Intensive Dietary Management program developed by Dr Fung. Dr Fung frequently talks about how fasting saves money. I don't think he was referring to fasting retreats like this.
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Old Wed, Mar-13-19, 11:06
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Dr Fung frequently talks about how fasting saves money. I don't think he was referring to fasting retreats like this.
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Old Wed, Mar-13-19, 15:33
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It should be cheaper than a fine dining retreat in Hawaii.
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Old Wed, Mar-27-19, 20:22
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I recently joined one of the Fung FB groups. Frankly I hate the FB format for a support group and totally prefer our lowcarber database here, but did want to get their viewpoint. They seem to be mostly rabid multi-day fasters. One of them even told me that if I just did alternate day fasting I had no hope of losing weight or getting any healthier, and that for women Fung finds a 42-hour fast is about the minimum to be of any benefit! I certainly didnít see that in the books so wonder if this is new information somewhere.

Also one other frequent poster - who does credit IF for reversing his diabetes and helping him lose 100+ pounds - has said more than once that Fung is insane for saying insulin causes insulin resistance, which this fellow claims has been totally debunked. He also insists that all ďreputableĒ scientists think Fung is a total crackpot. Anyone else hearing information like this? His views make me wonder why heís even so active on a Fung support group!
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Old Wed, Mar-27-19, 21:46
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I donít know about that crazy critic, but it seems like some people just like to troll and stir up problems. I know even some in the keto world have problems with Dr. Fung, even doctors I adore, like Dr. Phinney. They have a problem with people just going off and doing days and days of fasting with no care given to the refeeding process and the careless attitude that a lot of followers have about protein requirements.
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Old Wed, Mar-27-19, 22:50
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The impression I get lately from Fung/Megan on fasting is that they're really holding back on the longer fasts except for the really hard cases. Maybe I need to listen to some of their more recent interviews again and see if I've got the wrong impression.
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Old Thu, Mar-28-19, 07:00
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The impression I get lately from Fung/Megan on fasting is that they're really holding back on the longer fasts except for the really hard cases. Maybe I need to listen to some of their more recent interviews again and see if I've got the wrong impression.


I agree with that, lately the 36-42 hour fasts 2 or 3 times a week is considered enough for weight loss, and anything extended longer than that should be reserved for severe health issues and only done with close doctor supervision. In the new Longevity Book summary, a "Prolonged Fast" is anything more than 24 hours, undertaken with medical supervision.

There are many Fungsters FB pages...the "official" one is the Obesity Code Network. That one is closely moderated, there is an extensive FILE section, and the Moderators post 2 or 3 fasting timetables each week if you want to try one of their protocols, beginner to advanced.
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Old Thu, Mar-28-19, 08:37
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Also one other frequent poster - who does credit IF for reversing his diabetes and helping him lose 100+ pounds - has said more than once that Fung is insane for saying insulin causes insulin resistance, which this fellow claims has been totally debunked. He also insists that all ďreputableĒ scientists think Fung is a total crackpot. Anyone else hearing information like this? His views make me wonder why heís even so active on a Fung support group!

Amy Berger addresses this contention and more in her blog post from March 19:
http://www.tuitnutrition.com/2019/0...creas.html#more

It's a long post; yet, rich with detailed information.
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Old Thu, Mar-28-19, 11:49
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I know a guy who is a member at IDM and he says their official advice is either two to three 42-hour fast every week or one 72-hour fast. The former fits in with ADF during the week (MWF) and then eating on the weekend. For eating days, they recommend time-restricted eating (TRE) of at least 16:8, preferably 18:6. That's how those ADF days get to 42 hours.
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Old Thu, Mar-28-19, 13:39
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Amy Berger addresses this contention and more in her blog post from March 19:
http://www.tuitnutrition.com/2019/0...creas.html#more

It's a long post; yet, rich with detailed information.


Wow. She is a dynamo of information!!!! Only been reading 5 minutes!
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Old Thu, Mar-28-19, 14:47
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Amy Berger suggests that people can read what I she wrote under the heading "End" to decide if they want to read the whole post so I did that. Here's what she says at the end:

Thatís the interesting thing, isnít it? Despite the incredible complexity of pancreatic and hepatic physiology, and the weird things that happen in disease states, low carb/keto seems to make most of this irrelevant. So we can sit around and debate and argue endlessly over the minutia, or we can eat a very low carb diet and take most of blood glucohttps://forum.lowcarber.org/search.php?do=getnewse and insulin ďmanagementĒ out of the equation. Take it out of the equation.

I am not greatly interested in the minutae and I have pretty much come to this conclusion for myself. If I stick to a very low carb/keto diet I am doing the best thing I can for my health. I don't have to know all the details. I understand that other people are fascinated by this stuff. I am not. I just want to know the best way for me to be eating to maintain my health. I think I am doing that.
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Old Fri, Mar-29-19, 00:10
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Darn, I hate when Iíve typed a long reply and then the phone eats it. 😡 Yeah, the ďofficialĒ Obesity Code Network is the FB group Iím on. Maybe I do need to try longer fasts since nothing else has worked in the last 10 years. I just have not been able to do it! 20:4 is pretty doable but anything longer gets really difficult.
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Old Fri, Mar-29-19, 00:54
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I really love the Zero fasting app and have been using it for the last few weeks. It says that my daily average for fasting is about 20 hours a day. I usually do 20-24 hours during the weekdays and 16 or 18 on the weekends. I know that longer would be better, but at what point do we just say to ourselves that this is ďgood enoughĒ? Iím already eating better than the majority of Americans and Iím experiencing a lot of health benefits. Iíve made it to the 50% progress mark, which I had begun to think was an impossibility for me. So, maybe fasting 42 or 72 hours would speed up my losses considerably (only averaging 2.5 pounds a month), but with small children around who watch what I eat...or donít eat, maybe slower is better for now?

Thereís still so much we donít know, according to Dr. Phinney, about the longer fasts. Is it possible that longer than 24 hours, on average, gets into diminishing returns territory with regards to body composition as well as quality and enjoyment of life? I donít know. Itís probably different for everyone. But since introducing IF, I broke a 2 decade setpoint and weigh the same as I did as a Freshman in college. So I canít deny the benefits of fasting for someone like me. But is more better? Is this something we just have to wait out? Robb Wolf says that sometimes it can take more than 6 months for the body to decide it can drop more weight. Maybe sometimes we just have to keep doing what weíre doing and wait for our body to decide itís okay to be smaller or bigger, in the case of people who are looking to gain weight. I think fasting can be like anything else that brings results. We can fall into the more is better mentality. But maybe itís not true? And maybe people with that mentality are whatís drawing all the criticism for even TRE or IF of any sort.
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Old Fri, Mar-29-19, 02:37
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LC apps, military testing KD. There is hope.

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