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Old Sun, Jul-12-20, 14:25
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https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/br...-olympic-games/

The article, as a whole, implies that ketones are a form of athletic doping. No mention at all of the ketones being natural and made by healthy human bodies. The cyclists are taking an external source of ketones instead of having their bodies make it naturally.

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British cyclists were given ketones and warned they might trigger doping violations


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Ketones, a synthetic form of the energy source produced during fasting, are not banned under anti-doping rules but have caused ethical concerns, given their supposed performance-enhancing effects, and health concerns, given the potential side effects.

There is nothing synthetic about ketones. Anyone eating a true low-carb diet will be using ketones for energy. Their performance-enhancing effects is the only potential side effect I'm aware of.

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The Mail on Sunday reports that 40 percent of the athletes involved in the trial reported side effects, including vomiting and stomach problems, with 28 of them withdrawing as a result.
That's a problem with taking the ketones externally. They are not a natural part of the human diet.
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Old Sun, Jul-12-20, 15:00
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Dr Bikman studies insulin in the marathon runners.... the super runners: 24 hrs or 100milers. They are not running on glucose.......


Cant imagine there is a test to diffetentiate between body formed ketones and consummed. If all are allowed to do it, does that make it fair?? My limited understanding of performance enhancing is its harmfulness to the body or covers such a drug.
Does mct oil fit this..... ?
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Old Sun, Jul-12-20, 15:14
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I feel like the journalist is spinning this as testing a quasi-illegal substance. And yet, they clear themselves at the end by stating " WADA had ‘no reason to consider such substances as banned under the 2011 List of Prohibited Substances and Methods’.""

So ketones aren't banned. Is this a bunch of made-up hype over some athletes getting paid some extra money to test a sports drink?

Athletes are asked to participate in biomedical research studies all the time. Nothing new there and it's not a secret. I sometimes request high performance athletes as a "super-fit control group" in certain physiological studies.

But yeah, there's going to be a whole bunch of idiots who think that ketones are a banned substance now.

What is the moral difference between consuming a sugar sports drink and a ketone sports drink? (I just don't like the over-sensational spin on this one.)
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Old Mon, Jul-13-20, 05:28
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It's more than likely internally produced ketones have none of the drawbacks of the added ones.
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I keep my blood ketone levels between 1.0-3.0mmol/L. I do this for pain control and mental clarity. It's called Therapeutic Keto. I use external products to keep my levels this high as my nutritional health would suffer if I ate 90% fat.

It takes time to find the exogenous ketone product for the individual body. Some I tried made me quite sick. The one I'm presently using is C8 powdered MCT oil and my body accommodates it well. I have to assume that these athletes were administered a product somebody wanted to sell the UK.

If hormones and fuel the body naturally produces were made illegal, just think about it. Higher testosterone levels give some athletes more power and stamina. As you said, the body produces ketones naturally. It's our survival mechanism. They can never make ketones illegal. Even if they ban exogenous ketone products, the athletes can still produce get high levels of ketones by diet.
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It's more than likely internally produced ketones have none of the drawbacks of the added ones.


I absolutely agree, especially since internally produced ketones come along with a profoundly changed physiological environment. I'm wondering if artificially adding them to food wouldn't do something more akin to diabetic acidosis, but I know nothing about stomach/gut absorption, or the characteristics of harmful diabetic ketosis. But the fact that some of the athletes are vomiting is a big red flag.
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Hello! I've been using exogenous ketones for at least a year and I'm fine. I don't have diabetic ketoacidosis. May I suggest a bit of research?
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I have faith that I'm producing them now and then and that my brain and other organs benefit from the sugar break.
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