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Old Thu, May-16-19, 23:48
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16 May, 2019

Ultra-processed foods 'make you eat more'

Ultra-processed foods lead people to eat more and put on weight, the first trial to assess their impact suggests.


Volunteers had every morsel of food they ate monitored for a month.
And when given ultra-processed food, they ate 500 calories a day more than when they were given unprocessed meals.

The US National Institutes of Health said ultra-processed foods may be affecting hunger hormones in the body, leading people to keep eating.

There are scientific arguments about the definition of ultra-processed food but lead researcher Dr Kevin Hall said it was like "pornography - it's hard to define but you know it when you see it".

Warning signs include:
  • ingredients you cannot pronounce
  • more than five ingredients listed on the packet
  • anything your grandmother would not recognise as food

Twenty people gave up a month of their time to live in a laboratory.

For a fortnight they were given either ultra-processed meals or unprocessed ones and then the diets were switched for the second half of the study.

The participants were allowed to eat as much as they wanted and researchers closely monitored what passed their lips.

During their ultra-processed foods fortnight, the volunteers, on average, ate an extra 508 calories a day and put on 2lb (1kg).

Dr Hall, from the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases, told BBC News: "This is the first study to demonstrate that there there is a causal relationship.

"Ultra-processed foods led to increases in calorie intake and in body weight and in fat.

"It's suggestive that this may be playing a role in the larger population."
Dr Hall said previous studies had estimated the "obesity epidemic" in the US was caused by people eating an extra 250-300 calories a day.

But why?

The explanation is, for now, elusive.

The human guinea pigs reported both meals were equally tasty, so a preference for ultra-processed was not to blame.

The nutritional content of the two diets was also carefully matched to ensure they had equal amounts of sugars, other carbohydrates, fats and fibre.

One potential explanation is the impact of industrially processed foods on the hormones that alter the desire to eat.

Dr Hall told BBC News: "When people were consuming the unprocessed diet, one of the appetite-suppression hormones (called PYY) that has been shown in other studies to be related to restraining people's appetite actually went up despite the fact that they're now eating less calories."

The study also showed the levels of the hunger hormone ghrelin went down on the unprocessed diet.

Does this explain the obesity crisis?

The study is on a limited number of people only and for a short period of time, so it is unclear if the findings apply more broadly.

Some people on the diet ate an extra 1,500 calories on the ultra-processed diet, while others ate roughly the same.

Dr Gunter Kuhnle, from the University of Reading, said processing food was often important "for palatability, safety and preservation".

He said: "This is a well designed and well conducted study with interesting, although perhaps not surprising, outcomes.

"It seems that participants found ultra-processed food more palatable, ate more quickly and consequently more - possibly because it took longer for them to feel full.

"A very interesting outcome of the study is the cost-per-energy: the ultra-processed diet was considerably cheaper than the unprocessed control diet, and this is likely to have implications from a public health point of view."



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I have found ultra-processed foods to cause weight gain, even without eating more.

I have occasionally done tests to see if this is true.

One test was two weeks of chicken bologna from Walmart, and cheddar cheese from Kroger. I ate two ounces of the chicken bologna and one ounce of cheddar cheese, three times per day.

I gained two pounds in those two weeks.

I was not eating anything else, and only drinking water.

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I tried the test using only the cheese, same results. Nine ounces of cheese per day. Casein is very insulinogenic.

I tried the test with only the chicken bologna. Same results.

Super low carb, no cheats. Two weeks each test. Gain two pounds in two weeks.


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A friend had told me that he thought the store-bought processed bologna caused weight gain, that people he watched, who ate that, gained weight. He described people over several decades.


So, I decided to do an N-1 test. And another. Then, another test. Same results each time, for me.

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It makes me laugh when they describe what's on "the packet." If there were no packet, but just food - real food - there might not be such a problem.

Let's bring back cooking, baking, bread making even if one tolerates wheat - it's the 'packet' the 'can' and the 'bag' where the problems start.

It's not rocket science to know that manufacturers make foods as good tasting as they can as cheaply as they can. They want you to by another one! And another one, and another one, until you convince yourself that you can't do without - or that you don't have time to cook, or bake, or freeze, or can, or ferment. All nonsense.
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This is why it's good to weigh in the evening and in the morning. Evening bloat eventually leads to morning gain. Processed food often causes the bloat.
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During their ultra-processed foods fortnight, the volunteers, on average, ate an extra 508 calories a day and put on 2lb (1kg).


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"It seems that participants found ultra-processed food more palatable, ate more quickly and consequently more - possibly because it took longer for them to feel full.


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"A very interesting outcome of the study is the cost-per-energy: the ultra-processed diet was considerably cheaper than the unprocessed control diet, and this is likely to have implications from a public health point of view."


I know processed foods is a problem for me: it is very tastey and I will eat far more of a very tastey food than a homemade meal. ( ANd I consider myself a pretty good cook.) So these findings in the first two quotes make complete sense to me.

The third quote I find troublesome. The cost per calorie. IMHO when I am costing out feeds for my livestock, I first price out the cost per pound of protein, ANd work back from there. Feeding based primarily on calories is a recipe for trouble.

I would like to see the nutrient comparison for the two studies: the total protein as well as the amino acid profile, the vitamins and the minerals, as well as the extra ingredients in the ulta processed foods.

Overall seems like it could be a good study.
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It makes me laugh when they describe what's on "the packet." If there were no packet, but just food - real food - there might not be such a problem.

Let's bring back cooking, baking, bread making even if one tolerates wheat - it's the 'packet' the 'can' and the 'bag' where the problems start.

It's not rocket science to know that manufacturers make foods as good tasting as they can as cheaply as they can. They want you to by another one! And another one, and another one, until you convince yourself that you can't do without - or that you don't have time to cook, or bake, or freeze, or can, or ferment. All nonsense.


Im with you on getting back into the kitchen. Unfortunately most mothers work, especially the younger mothers. They were the primary cooks and meal providers in the now distant past. These days ripping open a package or opening a can or two is too common.

I tried to teach my boys the ease of a package of chicken layered into a 9x 13 and topped with Lawyer's salt, rip open a bag of frozen green beans and nuke, and a box of mixed greens tossed with salad dressing. Still takes an hour to pull off.
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You're right about the rush around in families these days. I ask the question about fast foods, and 'quickie' meals - what is done with the time saved?
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I tried to teach my boys the ease of a package of chicken layered into a 9x 13 and topped with Lawyer's salt, rip open a bag of frozen green beans and nuke, and a box of mixed greens tossed with salad dressing. Still takes an hour to pull off.
You can do chicken pieces (or other meat) roasted on high heat in just about 20 minutes. Or something sautéed on the stovetop or grilled under the broiler in even less. That and the rest of what you said is my go-to meal. And aside from the seed oils in the commercial dressing, it's all whole foods and super healthy on all fronts. Easy to swap out other frozen veggies--or if you have a bunch of people to feed regularly (a family) and lots of fresh veggies in the house won't go bad, you can quickly cut up a head of cauliflower or some broccoli and steam it in the microwave. Might need to add a few minutes to your total time to wash and cut the veggies. You could easily get dinner on the table in under 30 minutes like this. I don't think boxed mac & cheese (or a family-sized frozen mac & cheese) is much faster.
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30 May, 2019

Ultra-processed food linked to early death

Ultra-processed foods - such as chicken nuggets, ice cream and breakfast cereals - have been linked to early death and poor health, scientists say.

Researchers in France and Spain say the amount of such food being eaten has soared.

Their studies are not definite proof of harm but do come hot on the heels of trials suggesting ultra-processed foods lead to overeating.

Experts expressed caution but called for further investigation.

What are ultra-processed foods?

The term comes from a way of classifying food by how much industrial processing it has been through.

The lowest category is "unprocessed or minimally processed foods", which include: • fruit • vegetables • milk • meat • legumes such as lentils • seeds • grains such as rice • eggs

"Processed foods" have been altered to make them last longer or taste better - generally using salt, oil, sugar or fermentation.

This category includes: cheese • bacon • home-made bread • tinned fruit and vegetables • smoked fish • beer

Then come "ultra-processed foods", which have been through more substantial industrial processing and often have long ingredient lists on the packet, including added preservatives, sweeteners or colour enhancers.

Prof Maira Bes-Rastrollo, from the University of Navarra, told BBC News: "It is said that if a product contains more than five ingredients, it is probably ultra-processed."

Examples include: processed meat such as sausages and hamburgers • breakfast cereals or cereal bars • instant soups • sugary fizzy drinks • chicken nuggets • cake • chocolate • ice cream • mass-produced bread • many "ready to heat" meals such as pies and pizza | meal-replacement shakes

How bad were the findings?

The first study, by the University of Navarra, in Spain, followed 19,899 people for a decade and assessed their diet every other year.
There were 335 deaths during the study.

But for every 10 deaths among those eating the least ultra-processed food, there were 16 deaths among those eating the most (more than four portions a day).

The second study, by the University of Paris, followed 105,159 people for five years and assessed their diet twice a year.

It showed those eating more ultra-processed food had worse heart health.
Rates of cardiovascular disease were 277 per 100,000 people per year among those eating the most ultra-processed food, compared with 242 per 100,000 among those eating the least.

Dr Mathilde Touvier, from the University of Paris, told BBC News: "The rapid and worldwide increasing consumption of ultra-processed foods, to the detriment of less processed foods, may drive a substantial burden of cardiovascular diseases in the next decades."

So do these foods damage health?

Dr Mathilde Touvier, from the University of Paris, told BBC News: "[The] evidence is accumulating.

"Increasing numbers of independent studies observe associations between ultra-processed foods and adverse health effects."

Last year, a link was made with an increased risk of cancer.

Prof Bes-Rastrollo, from the University of Navarra, told BBC News she was "very certain" they were bad for health.

The challenge is being 100% sure.

The studies have spotted a pattern between highly processed food and poor health but they cannot prove that one causes the other.

Those who ate the most ultra-processed food were also more likely to have other unhealthy behaviours, such as smoking, which the researchers tried to account for.

But Kevin McConway, a professor of statistics at The Open University, said: "One can't be sure that everything relevant was allowed for.

"These studies do increase my confidence that there's something real behind these associations - but I'm still far from sure."

Why might ultra-processed foods be bad?

The first trial of ultra-processed foods showed they led people to eat more and put on weight.

Researchers at the US National Institutes of Health monitored every morsel of food that volunteers ate for a month.

And when given ultra-processed food, they ate 500 calories a day more than when they were given unprocessed meals.

Other suggestions include:
  • They are energy dense but lacking in nutrients and fibre
  • While the additives in food have been safety tested, it may be unhealthy to consume lots of additives from different foods
  • People eat more because they're easy to eat
  • They push healthier foods such as fruit and vegetables out of diets - who wants a banana when you can have ice cream?

These ideas still need researching.

Is there any useful advice?

While the term ultra-processed food may be new, the health advice coming out of the study will be very familiar.

Victoria Taylor, senior dietician at the British Heart Foundation, said: "We already recommend people adopt a Mediterranean-style diet, which also happens to include plenty of minimally or unprocessed foods, such as fruit, vegetables, fish, nuts and seeds, beans, lentils and wholegrains.

"This, along with exercising regularly and not smoking, has been shown to be beneficial for lowering risk of heart and circulatory disease."

Prof Bes-Rastrollo thinks there is already enough evidence for governments to start acting too.

She said: "Measures like taxation and marketing restrictions on ultra-processed foods to discourage consumption [should be considered].

"At the same time, promotion of fresh and minimally processed food is a requirement."

Is the ultra-processed label a load of nonsense?

Describing foods as ultra-processed has a lot of critics.

Dr Gunter Kuhnle, an associate professor in nutrition and health at the University of Reading, said the studies were important and warranted further investigation.

But the labelling of food as ultra-processed could be inconsistent.

He said: "It is also not obvious why salami is considered to be ultra-processed, yet cheese, which often requires considerably more processing steps and additives, is not.

"The classification combines a wide range of foods with very different potential impacts on health, which limits its usefulness as a basis for recommendations."

The studies were published in the British Medical Journal.


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But the labelling of food as ultra-processed could be inconsistent.

He said: "It is also not obvious why salami is considered to be ultra-processed, yet cheese, which often requires considerably more processing steps and additives, is not.

"The classification combines a wide range of foods with very different potential impacts on health, which limits its usefulness as a basis for recommendations."


That's only part of the problem with labeling foods as unprocessed, processed, or ultra-processed, just based on the short lists they provided:

Quote:
The term comes from a way of classifying food by how much industrial processing it has been through.

The lowest category is "unprocessed or minimally processed foods", which include: • fruit • vegetables • milk • meat • legumes such as lentils • seeds • grains such as rice • eggs

"Processed foods" have been altered to make them last longer or taste better - generally using salt, oil, sugar or fermentation.

This category includes: cheese • bacon • home-made bread • tinned fruit and vegetables • smoked fish • beer

Then come "ultra-processed foods", which have been through more substantial industrial processing and often have long ingredient lists on the packet, including added preservatives, sweeteners or colour enhancers.

Prof Maira Bes-Rastrollo, from the University of Navarra, told BBC News: "It is said that if a product contains more than five ingredients, it is probably ultra-processed."

Examples include: processed meat such as sausages and hamburgers • breakfast cereals or cereal bars • instant soups • sugary fizzy drinks • chicken nuggets • cake • chocolate • ice cream • mass-produced bread • many "ready to heat" meals such as pies and pizza | meal-replacement shakes


So rice and legumes, which need to be subjected to processing (by soaking and/or long cooking times) to prepare them so that it's even possible to eat them are considered to be unprocessed/minimally processed foods.



Milk, which has had some (or all, or none) of the cream removed, pasteurized, homogenized, and had vitamins A and D added is considered unprocessed/minimally processed.


Meat is considered unprocessed/minimally processed, but my single ingredient (ground beef) hamburger is considered ultra processed. Sausage is considered ultra processed, even though it can be nothing more than ground meat with salt and pepper added.

A bare-bones homemade bread recipe would still include flour, yeast, salt, sugar, oil, and water, for a total of 6 ingredients, which should put it in the same ultra-processed classification as mass produced bread, but homemade bread only made the processed list. Most homemade bread recipes include several more additional ingredients, clearly making them fit the ultra-processed category.

Nice idea to give some idea what's better for you, and what's worse for you - but if they're going to categorize foods, the categorization needs a lot of work.
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Nice idea to give some idea what's better for you, and what's worse for you - but if they're going to categorize foods, the categorization needs a lot of work.
That's always what I think when I see studies that criticize eating "processed meat." Ground beef is bad for you, but chuck roast isn't? That makes no sense. Pork belly is okay, but salted pork belly (aka, bacon) is not? Sausage is bad? It's just ground meat and spices.

My theory is that anything that I could make at home, if I wanted to make the effort and can get my hands on the ingredients at the grocery store, is probably okay it terms of processing. If I wanted to buy a grinder attachment for my KitchenAid, I could make my own ground beef from a couple of pounds of chuck. And then add some spices and make sausage. I know people who make their own bacon, even. But I can't buy nitrates at the grocery store. Since it's not an ingredient that I can easily get my hands on to use in my own kitchen, then I try not to buy foods with that in it.

Canned and frozen fruits and veg are okay by me. Potato chips are usually potatoes, oil and salt. Sounds okay, but I'd like to skip the highly processed seed oil. (I'm just talking about how processed or close to the food source things are, not whether they have carbs.)

I also don't have a huge problem (in theory) with buying ready-made meals. I take ingredients at home and combine them into dishes to eat and it shouldn't be an issue if I buy something that someone else has prepared. But when the chicken is injected with soy and water, instead of just being straight chicken, then we have problems.

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It's amazing how long a list in fine print is on the ingredients label of store-bought foods like just pizza or bread. Lots of difficult to pronounce long-named ingredients I wouldn't put into similar foods at home. Tried to find a healthy sausage at my regular grocery stores. Nope. All of them had weird sounding ingredients. All those chemical additives leave me wondering about their potential health effects.
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Sausage is considered ultra processed, even though it can be nothing more than ground meat with salt and pepper added.


I can't buy sausage in the grocery store any more. It's full of corn syrup solids, textured vegetable protein, you name it.
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And this:

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wheat flour, niacin, ferrous sulfate [iron], thiamin mononitrate [vitamin b1], riboflavin [vitamin b2], folic acid, whey, milkfat, milk protein concentrate, salt, sodium tripolyphosphate, contains less than 2% of citric acid, lactic acid, sodium phosphate, calcium phosphate, with paprika, turmeric, and annatto added for color, enzymes, cheese culture


is a big NO.



Been a very long time since I've bought anything with an ingredient list like that, but that particular list actually looks very familiar - What is it from? I thought maybe it was Cheez-its, but I looked up the ingredients for those and nope, not Cheez-its.



Whatever it is, it's an enriched flour and cheese-like substance based thing, possibly a cracker of some kind.



I checked in my fridge - all the cheeses I have in there are just milk, salt, cheese culture and microbial enzymes (the enzymes are just vegetarian based rennet, so the milk will form curds). I probably need to buy much more expensive cheeses to have them made with animal rennet.
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Been a very long time since I've bought anything with an ingredient list like that, but that particular list actually looks very familiar - What is it from? I thought maybe it was Cheez-its, but I looked up the ingredients for those and nope, not Cheez-its.

Whatever it is, it's an enriched flour and cheese-like substance based thing, possibly a cracker of some kind.


Close! Kraft Macaroni and Cheese (also known north of the border as Kraft Dinner).
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