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Old Tue, Sep-22-20, 07:49
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From what I've read from quite a few members here, it's less about not being able to settle on a plan and hopping between them out of frustration early on...but more about having settled on the idea of doing low-carb, doing research and finding the plan that best suited them and then following that plan for a while, giving it (reasonably) strict adherence, but then after doing more research on other authors/doctors/specialists who are constantly contributing to the field of low-carb knowledge, they find certain newer avenues that allow them to hone their plans a little more. They're not being antsy or failing to follow a single plan for a decent period of time...rather that as they progress along in their journey of the low-carb WOE, they've picked up more tools from a variety of complimentary sources that enable them to narrow their focus in on the one area in which they think that they could improve.

Hopping around from one plan to another without really committing to anything for long enough to know that you've truly given it a decent try, will only prolong any frustration or boredom you have as your weight loss will probably stall as you keep sending your body mixed messages with the food choices you are currently making. Learning new information and incorporating that into your already established plan, is how you get to a point of having personalised your own WOE to not only make it work for you, but work in the long run.


Well said. That's what I have done with great success. I settled on low carb nearly 20 years ago and since that time I have tweaked it here and there as I learnt more. You do have to give things a chance to figure out what's working and what isn't or what might need to be adjusted. You also have to be patient and not give up too soon.
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Old Tue, Sep-22-20, 08:32
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Glenda, thank you so much for your post. I can really relate. When I eat too many carbs my toe neuropathy acts up. That’s my feedback.

Thanks for your helpful posts everyone. Great information and insight into low carbing.
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Old Tue, Sep-22-20, 08:34
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Excellent thread with valuable advice. I, too, started low carb years ago with little knowledge and uncertainty. Over time I became aware of what worked for me and made the necessary corrections to enable this WOE to work better for me. I got to know myself and how to eat for better health. Most importantly, as my health improved, I started to really enjoy the journey. It's truly a journey, as nutritional adjustments never result in immediate results. Enjoying this journey gave me the patience I needed to stay with the foundation of what I established and make minor corrections as I continued to learn and age. At this time, I know what I need to maintain and that's truly enjoyable. You'll experience this as well.
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Old Tue, Sep-22-20, 08:44
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Well said. That's what I have done with great success. I settled on low carb nearly 20 years ago and since that time I have tweaked it here and there as I learnt more. You do have to give things a chance to figure out what's working and what isn't or what might need to be adjusted. You also have to be patient and not give up too soon.


That's what I'm preparing myself to have to do as I move along through my own WOE. I'm basically doing Atkins now. The DANDR 2002 version. Very simple, easy enough to follow and as Atkins himself suggested I'm carrying on with the Induction level for a longer period of time because I have a lot of weight to lose and my appetite being completely diminished via ketosis right now is perfect for me.

But I know I have a long way to go until I start to think about maintenance and in that time, stalls will happen, things will possibly stop working as well as they did to begin with and it's good to know about there being other options out there that I can look to incorporating into my WOE (like intermediate fasting, carnivore etc) when I need to try and channel my focus more in a certain area and shake things up a bit.

I know it's not going to be easy and I'm in this for the long run. I've been trying to mentally prepare myself for potential pitfalls and whatnot...I just need to keep my innate stubbornness 'front & centre' not worry too much and relax into this WOE until it becomes completely normal.

(And having lots of books to read on any given topic, is always a good thing in my opinion. Whether I agree with any or all of them isn't the point. I can learn something from almost anything that's been written on a topic.)
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Old Tue, Sep-22-20, 08:46
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Excellent thread with valuable advice. I, too, started low carb years ago with little knowledge and uncertainty. Over time I became aware of what worked for me and made the necessary corrections to enable this WOE to work better for me. I got to know myself and how to eat for better health. Most importantly, as my health improved, I started to really enjoy the journey. It's truly a journey, as nutritional adjustments never result in immediate results. Enjoying this journey gave me the patience I needed to stay with the foundation of what I established and make minor corrections as I continued to learn and age. At this time, I know what I need to maintain and that's truly enjoyable. You'll experience this as well.


I am definitely looking forward to continuing to learn more. And if I get to make use of any of that newfound knowledge, then that's a bonus.
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Old Tue, Sep-22-20, 15:31
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Does Anyone Else Change Plans A Zillion Times?
Good question. Yes and no. I've tried lots of variations. Often, it was just for experimentation. I didn't have that much weight to lose initially, and I felt like most of my issues were taken care of just by eliminating excess carbohydrate.

...but my main reasons for adjusting my plan is adjusting it to suit my life circumstances at the time. To me, the definition of a plan "working" isn't just weight loss. Lots of unhealthy things will "work" for that, but they're a bad idea. Your eating has to work for your finances, your lifestyle (kids, job, etc), your personality, and other health issues you might have.

When I started out, I was 27, was in a good financial situation, and I could still get away with pretty liberal eating and have success. In the almost two decades since, I've moved three times, gone through two tough breakups, lost a parent to cancer, went through a stint in poverty, then got married. I started the early stages of menopause and developed arthritis.... not necessarily in that order. All of this required adjusting various dietary screws, and still does.
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Old Tue, Sep-22-20, 23:27
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I think changing plans actually helped me stay on plan. Not a big difference between Protein Power, Atkins, Dr. Bernstein's diet really--but the books kept me interested in what I was doing, and kept things from getting stale.

In one of Dr Atkin's books, don't remember which, he recommends, if somebody feels a need for a break from his diet, that instead of taking a total diet break, they go on some other diet--even so far as a low fat diet--rather than just not having a plan at all. I think this is decent advice. Simply going off plan is liable to go on longer than planned. A couple weeks of Ornish is likely to send you running back to Atkins. But different variations of low carb is probably safer.
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Old Wed, Sep-23-20, 03:59
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Great posts! Thanks all
In 2006 I started with the Zone diet 40-30-30
bought and read Atkins and Protein Power
Loved the explanations in Protein Power and how to calculate my lean body mass to determine my protein needs
Met my weight loss goal in 2007 and slipped and slithered down the carb slope then had to crawl back up
By then I added other books and other explanations as the years went by. Each gave helpful explanations of the dos and don'ts
As you all have said, the basics remain the same, its just that new explanations keep me interested and on track.
Also, hand cramps remind me when I have exceeded my carb limit
I am always grateful for the new research and the new explanations
and grateful to this forum for sharing what you have been reading
I need this forum to stay the distance
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Old Thu, Sep-24-20, 00:21
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Also, hand cramps remind me when I have exceeded my carb limit


That's interesting to hear, because Ms Arielle tends to get hand problems when she's been eating more carbs, I think (apologies if I got that wrong Ms A!). I haven't been doing this long enough to really get much in the way of useable data with regards my own health, but I definitely feel as though my joints have been feeling better overall since beginning this a month ago. My fibro flares up for any number of reasons (many nothing at all to do with food, like the weather or my overdoing it physically) but at risk of just being hopelessly optimistic and misinterpreting things too positively, I think I feel less seized up overall on a day to day basis.
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Old Sat, Sep-26-20, 20:37
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Teaser, I think I have to go back and read some of Dr. Atkins books, which I haven’t done in a long time. I mean the Atkins books actually written by Dr. Atkins! He gave such sage advice.

I agree about doing variations, but still keeping it low carb. I have no desire to stop. Some days it’s ketoish, some days higher, but still low carb.
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Old Sun, Sep-27-20, 05:56
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I was given some chocolate cake this past week, and having no self control, I ate it

Surprise! No hand cramps!
I wonder why?
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Old Mon, Sep-28-20, 01:16
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My theory? Cramping is usually related more to dehydration and electrolyte balance, so you may not have had enough cake to disrupt that.

If it was joint pain, for me, that'd be related to gluten or other bad stuff getting into the blood stream. The immune system attacks it, and some of your joint tissue takes a hit as an innocent bystander.
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Old Mon, Sep-28-20, 06:48
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I can get hand cramps from cough drops - so the slice of cake was 10 x larger than those

Usually when I get hand cramps I take a double dose of Potassium and they go away quickly
Have no idea why
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Old Mon, Sep-28-20, 12:04
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Chocolate is surprisingly a relatively decent source of minerals (for a starch and sugar based treat), whereas the cough drops likely have no minerals at all.

You didn't say whether the cake portion was chocolate, or if only the frosting was chocolate - either way, it would have a small percentage of the RDA of potassium in it, as well as most other minerals. Whether it was made from cocoa powder, baking chocolate, or even chocolate chips, it must have had enough potassium to ward off hand cramps for you.

I'm certainly not recommending chocolate cake as some kind of health food, but when it come to treats, the base source of cocoa/chocolate still provides a lot better mineral profile than hard candy, which is nearly devoid of any minerals at all - and hard candy is what most cough drops are, just with a little something added to help soothe the cough.
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Old Tue, Sep-29-20, 05:59
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Chocolate is surprisingly a relatively decent source of minerals (for a starch and sugar based treat), whereas the cough drops likely have no minerals at all.

You didn't say whether the cake portion was chocolate, or if only the frosting was chocolate - either way, it would have a small percentage of the RDA of potassium in it, as well as most other minerals. Whether it was made from cocoa powder, baking chocolate, or even chocolate chips, it must have had enough potassium to ward off hand cramps for you.

I'm certainly not recommending chocolate cake as some kind of health food, but when it come to treats, the base source of cocoa/chocolate still provides a lot better mineral profile than hard candy, which is nearly devoid of any minerals at all - and hard candy is what most cough drops are, just with a little something added to help soothe the cough.


It was a luscious chocolate cake with white frosting. Yum!
Not to be repeated for another year
I wonder if a Brownie would have the same effect? Should I try one to see if I get hand cramps?

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