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Old Thu, Feb-01-24, 05:42
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I can only take Twitter in very small doses! I follow nutrition related folks like Ted and yourself, but even so enough crazies make it through my filters.

I got tired just reading all your exercise. Currently less exercise than ever for me.
This past summer I injured my back (on an Ab Crunch Machine) and was basically in bed for months. I was allowed to walk in the pool for 30 min/day…so any muscle I had is gone. Finished PT now and trying to add body weight exercises, yoga, carefully return to the fitness center on a few machines, and walk. So I'm lucky if I even use my T1 muscle fiber. I remember those White Board YouTubes..will watch them all again. Thanks for posting.
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Old Thu, Feb-01-24, 14:52
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I can only take Twitter in very small doses! I follow nutrition related folks like Ted and yourself, but even so enough crazies make it through my filters.

I got tired just reading all your exercise. Currently less exercise than ever for me.
This past summer I injured my back (on an Ab Crunch Machine) and was basically in bed for months. I was allowed to walk in the pool for 30 min/day…so any muscle I had is gone. Finished PT now and trying to add body weight exercises, yoga, carefully return to the fitness center on a few machines, and walk. So I'm lucky if I even use my T1 muscle fiber. I remember those White Board YouTubes..will watch them all again. Thanks for posting.


Oh, I am so sorry to hear this, Janet. That just isn’t fair getting injured and laid out like that while doing something good for your health like exercising!! Ugh!!!


I’m so glad it sounds like you are up and about and carefully back to life.

Not to compare or complain, because I had nothing like that, just mentioning that I had been off my exercise for all of November and December. I went to a conference and ate rich food I wasn’t used to which caused a gallstone to break free and block a duct to the pancreas. I had pancreatitis all of November than gallbladder surgery right before Thanksgiving (happy Thanksgiving to me, LOL).

When I finally started exercising again, I felt like I had been hit by a truck! Good grief the pain! Doing nothing and then jumping in was a mistake! I hope PT was able to get you going Ok without too much pain. I imagine it would have been much worse for you than that bit I had to get through!
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Old Wed, Feb-07-24, 09:46
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Dr Naiman post today, along with a new, scowling, "ripped and jacked" photo:
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Things I leverage every day: • Diet • Exercise
Things I have never used: • supplements, biohacking, lab tests, medications, blue blockers, ice baths, morning routines, ketone meters, longevity molecules, journaling, mold-free coffee…ad infinitim

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I see a lot of people making things more complicated/expensive than they need to be, with a pretty bad ROI. So I offer more of a Pareto approach, with 80% of the benefits from 20% of the time/money/effort.

The weight loss version of The P:E Diet is so simple, https://energytoxicity.com/ and his exercise routine is all body weight you can do anywhere when you have a free minute, no gym. Beginner body weight exercises. https://youtu.be/c57p605PDZc?si=xPKJgwvqHC2yk1VE

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Old Wed, Feb-14-24, 09:57
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A new podcast with Dr Naiman and Dr Lyon. This is their second, so questions were more advanced beyond how P:E works.

In this episode they discuss:
• How to find out if you’re overfat without needing expensive tests.
• What should you eat to lose weight?
• How to consume carbohydrates for your benefit.
• The best training plan and exercises for fat loss and muscle gain.

He doesn’t do expensive body fat tests but Measures waist at belly button, abdomen relaxed, that number should be less than half of height.
Or use a 22 BMI, Or the classic ideal body weight formula ( image : https://forum.lowcarber.org/showpos...5&postcount=280) But having a goal in the "healthy weight" range is a start. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323586

Priortize Protein and Calories Matter! Having Protein in your first meal of the day controls cravings and reduces calorie intake for the rest of the day.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...i=1000645167712

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Old Mon, Feb-26-24, 05:14
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The YouTube interview with Dr Naiman by Max Laverge. This video has time stamps, chapter topics, transcripts, references, etc. "Why we're sick and fat". After four years, he can better explain Satiety, P:E Ratio, Energy Density, avoiding Dietary Dogma, Personal Fat Threshold and how to lose weight:

https://youtu.be/XhhoJAY96FA?si=TDZ4BoJEINIWtr2S

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Old Tue, Mar-19-24, 05:53
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https://tednaiman.com/ Ted walking the walk, photo and stats on Twitter
AND a new interview with Astrid https://youtu.be/ojC7TIJEym4?si=uHVxWNP2Z9Dlfia_

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Just turned 52.

Spending $0 on my longevity protocol [no supplements, free calisthenics, and free Ultimate Frisbee].

Just had a yearly physical:
Wt: 165 lb [I’m 5’10”]
BP: 119/69
HR: 51

Chol: 172
Trig: 53
HDL: 65
LDL: 96

A1C: 4.6%
HS CRP: <0.20
PSA: 0.41

CBC/CMP normal.

Post includes a new photo. Many questions followed on Twitter…including how did he achieve a 4.6% A1c?

Answer"—I am eating WAY LESS FAT than I used to when I was dogmatically low carb—and more carbs with a high fiber content. This change increased my satiety per calorie, improving multiple metrics including A1c. At one point in my fat-swilling keto days my A1c was 5.4% [100% serious]"

Comment from Ken Armstrong (Killorglin Ken /Lose That Belly on FB) “ I was hardcore #keto. I bought ~tednaiman’s PE Diet book and I didn’t get it. Once I got sick with my gallbladderinfection, I had to reduce fat and added fibre to compensate. I kept it #lowcarb It made a massive difference and I lost over 100lbs in 10 months. (240 lost in total)" The P E diet works well for anyone stuck above goal weight on a keto diet. KillorglinKen looks great now.

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Old Wed, Apr-10-24, 03:39
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A new video interview with Dr Ted Naiman and Martin Silva, a natural body builder and fitness model. What to Eat to Lose Fat.
https://youtu.be/CDYlQE32LAw?feature=shared

Ted often says Everyone is a BodyBuilder…but which body are you building? If over fat, look to Perma-Lean people like Martin and do what they do, diet and exercise. As a goal! [other than eye candy, crazy website] but his pre- competition meals are chicken breast, white fish, salmon, asparagus, broccoli, rice, sweet potato, PP. Dr Naiman is a regular GP, and Martin is an elite fitness coach..yet their recommendations to increase protein and fiber, lower fat, no refined carbs, aren’t that different. Goal Protein is still 1 g per pound of ideal body weight, and a good fasting period for the average person is 16:8.

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Old Sat, May-04-24, 10:07
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Good summary of Type 2 Diabetes by Ted Naiman on Twitter today:
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The primary difference between someone with type 2 diabetes and someone without type 2 diabetes is mostly excess fat storage.

But what causes excess fat storage? Can you blame excess fat storage on either carbs or fat individually? Definitely not, and here’s why.

We have numerous studies on the dietary macronutrient ratios that optimally fatten either humans or other animals.

Optimal fat storage requires both carbs and fats. Diets that are low in protein (typically around 10%) with high levels of both fats and carbohydrates (often in the range of 40-60% for each) are particularly effective at promoting weight gain in both humans and animals. This macronutrient distribution mimics the composition of many forms of junk food and is utilized in research settings to induce obesity in animal models, commonly referred to as a "cafeteria diet."

The combination of high fat and high carbohydrate content is considered particularly obesogenic because it:

1. Increases palatability: High-fat and high-carb foods are generally more appealing and can lead to overeating.

2. Promotes fat storage: Excess calories from both carbs and fats are efficiently stored as body fat, more so than either macronutrient individually.

3. Disrupts energy balance: These diets can interfere with the normal regulation of hunger and satiety for reasons above, often leading to increased energy intake.

The majority of stored body fat comes from dietary fat, but this mechanistic view doesn’t mean that we can blame fat more than carbs for diabetes. Similarly, carbs raise blood glucose more than fat, but again this simplistic mechanistic viewpoint doesn’t mean that carbs can be blamed more than fat for type 2 diabetes.

Instead, you have to look at the big picture of what drives overeating. And all of the data points directly at a hyperpalatable low protein high energy density combination of carbs and fats together, with equal blame on both sides.

So it is really about a particular combination of low protein, high carb and high fat foods with lower than normal satiety per calorie.
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Good summary of Type 2 Diabetes by Ted Naiman on Twitter today:
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The primary difference between someone with type 2 diabetes and someone without type 2 diabetes is mostly excess fat storage.

But what causes excess fat storage? Can you blame excess fat storage on either carbs or fat individually? Definitely not, and here’s why.

We have numerous studies on the dietary macronutrient ratios that optimally fatten either humans or other animals.

Optimal fat storage requires both carbs and fats. Diets that are low in protein (typically around 10%) with high levels of both fats and carbohydrates (often in the range of 40-60% for each) are particularly effective at promoting weight gain in both humans and animals. This macronutrient distribution mimics the composition of many forms of junk food and is utilized in research settings to induce obesity in animal models, commonly referred to as a "cafeteria diet."

The combination of high fat and high carbohydrate content is considered particularly obesogenic because it:

1. Increases palatability: High-fat and high-carb foods are generally more appealing and can lead to overeating.

2. Promotes fat storage: Excess calories from both carbs and fats are efficiently stored as body fat, more so than either macronutrient individually.

3. Disrupts energy balance: These diets can interfere with the normal regulation of hunger and satiety for reasons above, often leading to increased energy intake.

The majority of stored body fat comes from dietary fat, but this mechanistic view doesn’t mean that we can blame fat more than carbs for diabetes. Similarly, carbs raise blood glucose more than fat, but again this simplistic mechanistic viewpoint doesn’t mean that carbs can be blamed more than fat for type 2 diabetes.

Instead, you have to look at the big picture of what drives overeating. And all of the data points directly at a hyperpalatable low protein high energy density combination of carbs and fats together, with equal blame on both sides.

So it is really about a particular combination of low protein, high carb and high fat foods with lower than normal satiety per calorie.


Naiman has it right in that the combination of lower protein with high carbs and higher fats is often a deadly combination. Here's one of the researchers, Dr. Richard Johnson, who explains the actual metabolic mechanism very clearly in this interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMgBxyJvtx0

While it has the title of "Artificial Sweeteners," it's an interesting discussion about the Fructose Pathway and how glucose can trigger it under certain conditions. Whether you consume artificial sweeteners or not, there's enough here that potentially applies to everyone.

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Thanks Rob! Will take an hour to watch the video later. Levels has a podcast, but maybe not this episode? I’ll find it.

With the PE diet, the only fructose is from fruit, and if I use high fiber berries, that has worked well for me. Almost daily I have a NF yogurt (low carb, high protein) 1 scoop of PP (stevia sweetened, more protein) and a cup of high fiber frozen mixed berries=Naiman ice cream Think I have some allulose in my pantry.

Marty post this morning on Twitter: "It seems even the big-name carnivores are getting into the fruit these days. Maybe it's because it contains the vitamin C, which is low in meat? Our updated satiety algorithm shows that fruit is hard to overeat, not just because of the lower energy density. Despite containing sugar (as fructose), it also leverages the satiety benefits of a solid dose of calcium, iron, potassium and vitamin C, which triggers sensory-specific satiety. Check out the full landscape of fruit in our interactive food search tool:"
https://public.tableau.com/app/prof...tein/allfoods_1

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Marty post this morning on Twitter: "It seems even the big-name carnivores are getting into the fruit these days. Maybe it's because it contains the vitamin C, which is low in meat? Our updated satiety algorithm shows that fruit is hard to overeat, not just because of the lower energy density. Despite containing sugar (as fructose), it also leverages the satiety benefits of a solid dose of calcium, iron, potassium and vitamin C, which triggers sensory-specific satiety. Check out the full landscape of fruit in our interactive food search tool:"
https://public.tableau.com/app/prof...tein/allfoods_1


I find it easy to overeat fruit, which is why, after adding back blueberries and apples, I decided to eliminate them again and go back to my no fruit eating. Often, what is true in general (group statistics) is not true in particular cases (individual variations).
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Carnivores also turn to fruit to manage oxalate dumping. This puts stress on the liver, and when I tried it, I felt better. Some people get breaks in between, and drop the fruit. I also get along with the ones I choose. I thought "fruit wanted to be eaten" but that doesn't mean it's benign.

Starfruit can kill you. I don't want a single slice of that hanging on the rim of my cocktail, but people do that with kiwi, which is also high oxalate.

I remember Dr. Davis writing that people who didn't eat grains had a lower need for C. And it's part of oxalate management not to supplement.

So, fruit. I use mine in protein smoothies.

I do think it's possible there's lots of people who have no idea what they should eat, and I don't blame them. That's why I admire Marty's system so much.

Engineers are good at stuff like that, as with Dr. Bernstein's first career.
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Jean, Everyone needs to find the individualized diet that works for them. Why I appreciate your encouraging me to finally actually do the ON programs, not only read his blog. I’m happy I can enjoy fruit now, but not everyone can. Though that may be because I eat 58g of protein with the berries!! My reason to want berries and vegetables, whether it’s true or not, is two points from Dr Champ:
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- Fat mass produces an overabundance of hormones and inflammatory chemicals that work against our immune system and metabolism. Are we minimizing it?
-Beneficial chemicals in colorful veggies, berries, and bitter vegetables like polyphenols and sulfurophane stimulate our immune system and detoxification pathways. Are we including these in our diet?

Marty's comment about carnivore is based on the guys trying to flog new products on Twitter. The Carnivore MD, Paul Saladino was promoting "Ice Cream is a Health Food" last week... Bear and Honey… Seriously. The Meat Medic has revised his advice after his own health issues. The definition of "carnivore" hit peak absurdity when it includes Honey Sweetened ice cream.
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I found Marty Kendall’s macro/micro course (it was combined when I took it) very helpful but DDF doesn’t work for me. More often then not my bg will rise after a meal and then go down very very slowly. It doesn’t rise a lot but it certainly doesn’t go back to baseline quickly which often leaves me unable to eat more than the one meal a day. I do better with just timing my 2 meals.

That carnivore info sounds absurd. I had checked out Saladino’s website and it made no sense to me at all. He was advocating so much fruit.

There is so much info out there and even among credible people there can be contradictions. It is so important that we are able to evaluate things for ourselves as well as weeding out the quacks.

On a totally different subject, my granddaughter Alice is about to graduate from Wellesley She is 5 years out from her cancer treatment and there is no sign of cancer. She is really thriving.
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I sincerely hope that Marty does not refer to Paul Saladino as "a big-name carnivore." That ship sailed shortly after he published "The Carnivore Code." He's hardly an expert, doesn't follow carnivore any longer, and seems to be looking for marketing opportunities to catch the next nutrition wave. When touting honey, a huge fructose contributor, I get very suspicious.

I can eat fruits and combine them with unsweetened dairy periodically, as like Jean, I take breaks and have started to only consume healthy berries when in season.

That being said, I believe the ON micro course is very sound and would help anyone who is willing to become a nutrition geek and really get into understanding micronutrients at a metabolic level. The fact that it's personalized means everything, but be prepared to do the work for the benefits. Over the years I have become very insulin sensitive to the point where DDF was an exercise in futility for me. My fasting blood glucose is always in the low 80s and rises very little after meals. I do regular resistance training with weights, and experience the usual mild blood sugar spikes after working out. That was getting in the way of my ability to eat normally when I was managing my BG threshold in order to eat. I think for those who are insulin sensitive, DDF is not required, but very effective for those who aren't there yet.

My own experience allows me to produce ketones while maximizing protein (and producing ketones with max protein is possible when strictly limiting carbs, which I do), and consume a modicum of healthy fats that ride along with my protein foods. I love whole milk (A2/A2) lightly pasteurized homemade kefir, which contributes protein, healthy fats, and keeps my microbiome healthy.

Jean - thanks for the update on Alice. This is excellent news.
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