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Old Tue, Jul-09-02, 08:21
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Question Is there a CKD book i can purchase?

HI all

I started low caarbing, and then stumbled upon this forum. Its sounds like CKD is perfect for me. The atkins diet won't give me enough energy i am afraid to perform high intensity weight training, so this may be my alternative. Is their a Body Opus book, or CKD book?

And DAN is your book (advertised on your site) a ckd approach? Does it outline a CKD program along with excercise? Thaks for your time.
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Old Tue, Jul-09-02, 10:12
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Plan: Modified 'BODYOPUS'
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Progress: 68%
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There are a few books-
1)'Bodyopus' (by Dan Duchaine)
2)'The Ketogenic Diet' (by Lyle McDonald)

-I highly recommend you purchase both books.
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Old Tue, Jul-09-02, 19:04
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I would also reccomend buying both books ...

My book (Metabolism) is NOT a CKD based book, but it does offer some neat tricks to use when you are sliding into a CKD ...

My next project IS going to be a CKD-handbook type deal, and I am getting started on it soon ... still settling in from "the move" (I moved house recently).
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Old Tue, Jul-09-02, 21:55
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Buy BODY OPUS....
You can also find Lyle McDonalds 26 week BODY OPUS experience on line. Its basicaly day by day of what mistakes not to make.
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Old Tue, Jul-09-02, 21:58
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Plan: Modified 'BODYOPUS'
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Buy BODY OPUS....
You can also find Lyle McDonalds 26 week BODY OPUS experience on line. Its basicaly day by day of what mistakes not to make.


-His 'Bodyopus' pages were awesome. I wish there were more 'journals' out on the internet similar to his.
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Old Tue, Jul-09-02, 22:08
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Yes, but Lyle openly admited that people should be able to learn more through his mistakes.
The problem I have is he never even reached his goal. Too much slacking....
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Old Tue, Jul-09-02, 22:14
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Yes, but Lyle openly admited that people should be able to learn more through his mistakes.
The problem I have is he never even reached his goal. Too much slacking....


-That's true. However, his 'Bodyopus' pages were very detailed and helped many people (including myself) get a better understanding of 'CKD''s. The man knows more about dieting than you or I put together, period (even though his physique may not show it).
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Old Tue, Jul-09-02, 22:22
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Knowing is only half the battle. What good is knowing how to diet if you cant have the balls to execute it????
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Old Tue, Jul-09-02, 22:30
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Plan: Modified 'BODYOPUS'
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Knowing is only half the battle. What good is knowing how to diet if you cant have the balls to execute it????


-It seems like you are a big fan of 'Bodyopus'. I take it you're following a 'CKD' (or some plan like it). I'd hate to break it to you but, Dan Duchaine (The AUTHOR of 'Bodyopus' as you know) was not big at all. As a matter of fact- he looked like your 'Average Joe'. However, he was (IMO) one of the brightest 'guru''s the bodybuilding community had ever seen. Just because someone isn't 'big' by your standards- (whether it be Lyle McDonald or anyone else for that matter) doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about.

P.S.-Have you read Lyle's book by any chance?

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Old Wed, Jul-10-02, 14:09
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Unhappy CAN"T find THE BOOK

I looked for both Duchaines and Mcdonalds book, couldn't find either! and one of them is out of print.

But someone mentioned body opus pages online... What is the website adress?? i would greatly appreciate it. Does nayone know where I can get the book...maybe online? I might have to order it through Amazon.

Piera
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Plan: Modified 'BODYOPUS'
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I looked for both Duchaines and Mcdonalds book, couldn't find either! and one of them is out of print.

But someone mentioned body opus pages online... What is the website adress?? i would greatly appreciate it. Does nayone know where I can get the book...maybe online? I might have to order it through Amazon.

Piera


-You can find both books at www.netrition.com (I believe). Here is the link to Lyle's 'Bodyopus pages': http://www.solid.net/lowcarb/lylemcd/
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Old Wed, Jul-10-02, 14:15
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They're both available on Amazon.

Lyle's

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...0/lowcarbcanad/

Duchaine's:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...1/lowcarbcanad/

May take a bit to arrive, but it's there.

Wa'il
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Old Wed, Jul-10-02, 21:13
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I did not say that Lyle does not know what he is talking about. Clearly he did his share of reaserch. What I'm saying is he himself basically said " do as I say not as I do.'' I respect him for his knowledge. As I explained earlier, 26 weeks and never reached his goal. This proves he did not aply his own knowledge 100%.
I think if he put as much time into diet and training as he did his diary he would have reached his goal.
And yes I am a fan of ckd"s . Ive used them to get ripped for abouy 7 years now. Although I have never read Lyles book, I think I to have done my fare share of research.
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Old Wed, Jul-10-02, 21:55
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Plan: Modified 'BODYOPUS'
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Ive used them to get ripped for abouy 7 years now. Although I have never read Lyles book, I think I to have done my fare share of research.


-Fair enough. Using it for 7 years, eh? I'm surprised it hasn't lost its' effect by now, heh.
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Old Wed, Jul-10-02, 22:13
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I have not been on a ckd for 7 years straight. 2 times per year for seven years is more like it. I build size and strength the rest of the year. as to get bigger and leaner every year. I will usualy weigh 205-210 during the bulk phase with about 12-14% bf at 5'8". Then I bring my bf down to 4-5% 2 times per year. It gets better with practice. ....


"The only time you can coast in life is when you're going down hill'.(A. Roger Merrill ).
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