Hi...
I own a supplement company that has a popular thermogenic. I would never have believed this was possible (getting tired when taking them) until my cousin had the exact same response as what you're saying. (not with my diet pill, but a similar brand) Turns out she has A.D.D. and the stimulants in the diet pill were calming her down. WAYYYYY down. LOL
Happy Lowcarbing,
Julee

and just started reading this thread and am interested in taking a stack of some kind. i have a borderline thyroid, (hypo) not treated by meds. makes weight loss sluggish. i have a generic hydroxycut-like supplement at home and want to know if that's ok. and i bought trainerdans book and wondered if the answers to the above questions are in it or somewhere on the board.

i work out 5 days a week at curves for women and walk 2 miles each morning.

brianna

ummm, what do the little egg cup things mean by our posts?

brianna

about Lowcarber's Miracle!!!

brianna

Hi there;

Three things: First and most importantly, welcome to the boards! You will be so amazed at the amount of support you find here. I have been so blessed by the people here, and you will be too!



Second, you should post the ingredients list on your supplement if you want an opinion on it. That will make it easier for Dan or anyone else to offer any suggestions.

Third, the egg cups are a measure system which indicates how many times you have posted on the boards. You'll notice that some people have eggs, some have chicken legs, some have steaks, and so on. If you click on the eggs, a window will come up that will tell you how many posts are which icons.

So, that's it for now. I look forward to seeing you around the boards!

Hi there! I posted a couple of weeks ago asking about guggulsterones, and thought I would mention my progress so far.

I've been taking them for two weeks in conjunction with a product called TriCutsII, which has ephedra in it, and weightlifting.
So far no changes.. have not been using fat calipers only measuring tape/scale/noticing how clothes fit.
I don't feel the expected effects either - which is supposed to be a noticable rise in body temperature.

It is funny that the topic of ephedra making people feel sluggish has come up - because the major drop in energy the only side effect I have noticed while taking this stack.

What do you think? I do not consume caffeine for personal health reasons.. should I be adding it to my diet to lose fat? Should the ephedrine be dropped because it is making me tired instead of energetic - or does that have nothing to do with the actual fat loss?

Any help is appreciated.
Thanks!
Meg

Hey Dan, I gotta question..or anyone else who might know I've read pretty much every reply and a few ppl mentioned thyroid but I'm still confused..

I had my thyroid removed, am on medication for it.. considered "hypo" but my doctor said my levels are normal and so my thyroid is normal.. Um ok.. Anyways, because of this, and years of yo-yoing and starving myself.. I have a dead metabolism..Is there anything I can take to help and give me a boost?

I tried metabolite for a week before, I didn't have any problems with it. I asked my doctor and pharmacist about being hypo and taking drugs like Xenadrine, metabolite ect.. And they just said they don't approve of diet drugs/boosters and said it was up to me if I want to take them..so.. Its funny though because they approve that more then Atkins.

And about caffeine, I used to be addicted to Coke! Yes the soda!! Most people need coffee when they wake up, I'd need coke..lol And it used to make me gain weight.. So would a product with caffeine in it make me gain weight? I don't think it would if I'm still drinking enough water..

Not meaning to offend any doctors out there, but form my talks with a few doctors of my clients, they had no clue when I was talking to them about T3/T4 uptake, and many other metabolic processes that can be accelerated/manipulated by diet and supplements.

Granted, these were all family practice doctors, not endocinologosts, but still to say "diet boosters are bad" and not do full research makes me doubt the opinions given by those who are not specialists, or have a special interest in the field.

So, LOL, you can see that I don't have a doctor. LOL. I am looking for one in my area that is either a fitness-minded person, or has studied this sort of field.

ANYWAY, that's my little rant. I have a hard time taking exercise advice/diet advice from an overweight middle-aged man who is clearly not the picture of health (my last 3 doctors).

One actually told me to stop lifting weights! It went like this:

Doc: "So Dan, do you workout?"
Me: "Yes, I am a personal trainer, as it says on that form I had to fill out for you. I workout, yes."
Doc: "Hmmm ... Looking at your chart, it says you had a heart murmur when you were younger. Lifting weights may be bad for you."
Me: "What was that?"
Doc:"Yes. Lifting weights causes a great overexertion on your heart, and it may cause problems for you."
Me: "A murmur from when I was 16 will cause problems for me now?"
Dr: "It might, you never know. It may reoccur. To be safe, I would suggest you stop lifting weights."
Me: "Hmmm. How about running, can I run?"
Dr: "Just don't push yourself too hard."
Me: "Define that."
Dr: "Some light jogging is OK, but don't go too hard."

You can see where that goes ... LOL ... It got ugly, and I left. When I compete next year, I'm gonna send him a picture. When I break 300 pounds on my bench, I'm gonna send him a pic of that too.

SO, LOL, back to the questions ...

SLIM: I personally don't see how caffeine would make weight loss sluggish or cause weight gain. The 35g of sugar in each can of Coke, however, I can see how that will cause a fat gain.

Brianna: The answers are in Chapter 1. LOL. It covers it all, and then some.

Meg: Ephedra by itself gave only marginal results in studies. It is the combo of Ephedra and Caffeine that was the breakthrough. But, if you have health reasons for not taking caffeine, then I would say not to take it.

LoL hmm 35g per can, and I'd drink about 4 or 5..Yep guess that could deffinetly be the reason why..

Anyways one more Question.. Do you have any suggestions as to what product I should try to boost my metabolism..

I'm a lil lost when it comes to this stuff lol =X

When I first started taking thermogenics, I started with Diet Fuel.

Read the label, and start with 1 pill when you take it.

What is your body temperature first thing in the AM?... as soon as you wake up, I mean.

There are a bunch of product out there. The ephedra-based ones are more popular.

If you are using an ephedra-based one, you could try Beta-Lean by EAS. It has a good stack of good fat loss ingredients in addition to the ephedra/caffeine. It didn't make me too speedy either ... The Lowcarber's Miracle product looks good (read the label) and looks to provide a good array of nutritional support to the LCer, but I have never taken the product, so I can't tell you how it "feels".

I haven't taken it YET I should say ... LOL ... soon. There will be a road test soon.

If you are looking to avoid epedra/caffeine, try a very easy, often overlooked vitamin first. Take a B-complex vitamin.

Few people realize that the B-complex vitmins help release
energy from food, which increases available body energy. Several of the B-complex vitamins are directly linked to metabolism and the metabolism of fats.

But, the big benefit I am talking about is the positive effect some of the B-complex vitamins have on the nervous and musculoskeletal systems.

The B-complex vitamins are:

B1 (thiamin)
B2 (riboflavin)
B3 (niacin/niacinamide)
B6 (pyridoxine)
B12 (cobalamin/cyanoobalamin)
Folic Acid (folacin)
D-calcium pantothenate
Pantothenic acid (panthenol/pantothenate)
Biotin
Para-aminobenzoic acid (PABA)
Choline
Inositol
Vitamin B15 (pangamic acid/calcium pangamate)

If you feel sluggish, low on energy or have a hard time losing body-fat, don't spend one more cent on fancy supplements without first building a powerful foundation of B Vitamins. You may not even need other fat loss products.

Look for a formula that contains as many of these as you can find .

Followup to my last post (see quote above). Well, I stopped taking Metabolite 3 days ago and I feel great! It's actually 2:45pm on a Monday afternoon when I usually feel at my worst, any day of the week. You know that old song... I hate Mondays...

On the one hand, I'm happy that I feel better but on the other hand, I wish it had worked for me.

I don't have thyroid problems, so I don't know what the reason could be.

I've got 2 bottles of the things, so, I'm actually giving them to a friend who took them successfully in the past. However, she is currently on Parkinson's medication. Wonder how that will affect her? Yikes!

Hello! I would like to turn what I am currently taking into a "stack," as Dan said that ephedra alone was not nearly as effective as ephedra w/ caffeine, and was wondering if anyone can help me with this. I want to know if I can merely take a caffeine capsule (or drink) with what I have now, or if I have to go out and buy something separate.

I have a product called Tri-Cuts II.
ingredients:
L-tyrosine 100mg
1R, 2S Norephedrine 25 mg
Coleus Forscolin 20mg
Yohimbe HCI 6mg
3,5-Dilodo-L-Tyrosine 50mcg

recommeded dosage 2 doses daily.
Can I just add a caffeine capsule to it, or drink strong tea?
And what does the aspirin/white willow do for the stack? I remember hearing that it helped block pain so one could push harder in a workout, but have the feeling that is not it.

Any help is really appreciated.
Thanks!
Meg

Yep. A simple Vivarin or strong cup of tea/coffee will complete the stack.

Forget the asprin. It is believed to help extend the duration of the stack, but it is not necessary. The ephedrine/caffeine combo are the big dogs.

i ordered myself some today. i have a borderliine thyroid. one that my GP always insists be tested by my endo always says is acceptable. so something to kick start my thyroid is good. i lose weight very slowly even when i stop all sugar/junk/white food. it's SO FRUSTRATING.

and hey, guys, have you ever used http://www.fitday.com? you enter what you eat and what you do (activities). it does ALL the figuring for you. i was SHOCKED to see how UN low-carb i really was some days!!!

brianna

Hi all,
As I've said here before, I've been on Slenderweigh for 3 years and it has 12 mg of alkoloids of ephedra and also caffeine. It has worked really really well for me BUT I'm nervous about longterm effects because there's a history of heart disease in my family. So... I'm thinking of trying something else and wondered if anyone has heard of the herballife ephedra free products and know if they would be worth it?
Thanks for your time. Lisa