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Originally Posted by WereBear
What a world these "business people" have made. One that kills off their customers! Isn't that bad business practice? Apparently not, if you drag it out. Isn't that what this amounts to?
There's a lot of foolishness baked in for the benefit of fools these days. Maybe getting that grand a month from everyone, to give them what amounts to another addictive drug.
If they rely on it to diminish their raging hunger because they won't stop eating junk, they won't get to the end of a new lifestyle.
It's just another symptom suppression tactic. Not anything actually helpful unless the patient is willing to change. It seems to be a drug version of bariatric surgery, so it's a better choice? Theoretically, I guess, because you stop the drug and the side effects go away.
Hasn't anyone noticed their drugs don't necessarily work that way any more? Which is why I am super-cautious about NSAIDS since I got such a terrible reaction from a high dose for dental. Apparently that is their "solution" to the wrist slap of the Purdue scandal. No effective pain control for anyone! Since billionaires misbehaved.
I really feel for the people you describe, but at the same time, they are simply getting themselves into another mess because they are refusing to actually fix anything about their health. Not being the size they want to be. THAT's the problem, and that is getting fixed.
Maybe I expect too much. It's not that people don't recognize how overweight isn't good for them. But being lied to every day about what is causing it doesn't leave anyone much time to sit and realize what is going on.
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There are multiple reasons why things have gotten to this point:
The medical establishment is insisting that if they simply eat lots of fruit, veggies, and whole grains, with minimal amounts of protein, all as low as possible in fats - then all their hunger pangs will go away, and they can easily lose all the weight they need to lose... and we know it doesn't work like that for so many of us.
They're being told it's purely a matter of calories in/calories out - 100% for every life form on the planet, that there are no exceptions, so if you're fat, it's because you're eating too much, plain and simple. That means you could eat nothing but cookies and candy bars and still lose weight - as long as you stay within your calorie limit.
Whether they go the "healthy food" route or the junk food route, they feel like they're starving the whole time they're on a conventional CI/CO diet, and because they're so hungry, they have many mishaps where they eat more than they're supposed to, so they need to try to get back on track, over and over again.
They hear about LC/Keto type diets, which are always offically dissed as inherently dangerous because of the high fat, high protein, "too few carbs overall, no whole grains, and not nearly enough fiber to be healthy". Even if they go rogue out of desperation and decide to try LC - they're addicted to the carbs that have been most of their diet for their entire lives, so very few can stick to it for any length of time.
Even if they're able to stick to it for a few weeks and see definite progress, then there's multiple holidays every few weeks during the year with food as the main attraction, and the traditional foods associated with those holidays are always almost all carbs. There are also vacations... with "vacation food": Seafood sandwiches from that place at the shore that has THE BEST BREAD and the BEST FRIES, favorite restaurants in a big city destination that serves THE BEST PASTA dishes and the BEST ROLLS, a visit to a part of the country that has a reputation for huge smorgasboards with the BEST DESSERTS - all the foods that that they've traditionally always eaten on vacation. Even if they've been very successful on LC, they will still make an exception for the holidays and vacations, so even if they made some progress resisting carbs before, the traditional holiday and vacation foods end up putting them right back where they started with their carb addiction. Only they're usually in a worse state, because the addiction is worse than ever, even more difficult to cut out the carbs again.
They give up on trying to lose weight in a conventional manner (or even the unconventional LC way), and the whole premise of the new weight loss drugs is that it's not a personal failing, but instead a disease where your brain forces you to overeat, and that's why you can't lose weight in a conventional way. In a way they're sort of right because there's an addiction involved - especially since they unwittingly became addicted to the carbs which have always been considered normal food. So the solution to this is to take a drug that stops that addictive behavior.
Only it doesn't really stop the addiction itself. They're still eating the same foods as they always did (unless they were used to eating a lot of fat, in which case the drug will probably make them puke), it's just that they can't eat anywhere near as much of it, and VOILA - They lose weight effortlessly! Which just reinforces the claim that it's purely a matter of CI/CO.
As far as side effects are concerned - as long as the side effects are more tolerable to them than being harassed about their weight every time they go to the Dr (or less upsetting than buying their clothes in the Plus dept, or seeing photos of themselves at such a high weight) and until the side effects cause irreparable damage to their muscles, organs, the drug induced weight loss will override the inconvenience of constant constipation, and puking when they eat too much. The hair loss might get to them though.
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