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Old Sun, Oct-24-21, 11:29
dan_rose dan_rose is offline
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Default Lose weight fast: High protein & fibre

Dr Seb Rushworth has a recent blog post suggesting increasing fibre as well as protein will likely maximise weight loss:
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021...weight-rapidly/

If you've not come across him before, his blog is worth perusing for his take on health & diet topics.
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Old Sun, Oct-24-21, 12:03
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I checked this out. I liked a lot of what he says. Most people ARE interested in losing weight fast.

I'd just like to note that 50g is a whole lot of fiber! I start every day with a ground flaxseed muffin with a couple TBS (not sure the exact amount) of flaxseed. It only amounts to about 10g fiber. My normal daily menu totals about 20g fiber. I can't imagine eating enough vegetables, berries, and avocado to add up to 50g--although I do eat all those things regularly.

Might be some appetite difference between an old lady and an old (?) male doc?

For now, I'm going with a higher protein target. And, of course, very low carbs, which excludes sweet potatoes.

Thanks for posting the article.
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Old Sun, Oct-24-21, 12:20
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Originally Posted by bkloots
I checked this out. I liked a lot of what he says. Most people ARE interested in losing weight fast.

I'd just like to note that 50g is a whole lot of fiber! I start every day with a ground flaxseed muffin with a couple TBS (not sure the exact amount) of flaxseed. It only amounts to about 10g fiber. My normal daily menu totals about 20g fiber. I can't imagine eating enough vegetables, berries, and avocado to add up to 50g--although I do eat all those things regularly.

Might be some appetite difference between an old lady and an old (?) male doc?

For now, I'm going with a higher protein target. And, of course, very low carbs, which excludes sweet potatoes.

Thanks for posting the article.


Me too. I eat about 25 gms of fiber a day which includes one very large salad every day. I can't imagine eating 50 gas of fiber every day.
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Old Sun, Oct-24-21, 12:33
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This is exactly Dr Ted Naiman's Low Energy Diet, including the advice to eat 30-40% protein. https://www.lowenergydiet.com/WhatisaLED.html. The basic guidelines work well for quick, and also long lasting, weight loss.

Like Barb and Jean, I wonder about that fiber amount! Although I have wildly increased the amount of vegetables and fruits with the PE Diet from strict LC before, and like the feeling of fullness from having big stir-frys, snacking on carrots and snap peas…50 grams is a large amount of fiber! 3 cups of the Costco stir-fry mix I use is only 8 g fiber, a cup of berries is 4 g, I don’t use fiber supplements, and rarely have anything with flaxmeal, I just can’t imagine it. I’m looking at my foods, meals and days in Cronometer….not even close. And this young, male doctor starts his veg lists with 16g of fiber for 100 calories of cauliflower, OK …but that is 4 cups!

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Old Sun, Oct-24-21, 18:59
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Does he differentiate between soluble fiber and insoluble??

He discusses this here. https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020...or-weight-loss/

Looks like a similar list to Atkins allowable list. Just heaps more.

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Old Mon, Oct-25-21, 03:28
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In his conclusion, beans and cereal are out due high carbs and gas. What does he eat that I don’t? Nuts….but 1/4 cup of chopped walnut pieces has only 2 g fiber, with almost 200 calories. Not exactly weight loss food.
Seems he has another food tracker that gives all his fiber suggestions more grams of fiber than Cronometer. I seriously would like to try to up my fiber intake, some magic vegetable I haven’t thought of, more low calorie and high fiber, but it is hard to even hit 20% carbs, without feeling my stomach expand.
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I mix up stir-fries or a big salad for lunch too. Still hard to get that much fiber.


Quote:
Nutrient density is the icing on the cake of satiety and optimal nutrition. However, adequate protein without excess energy (from fat and carbs) is the cake.

Getting adequate protein without excess energy is the first fundamental step in optimising your nutrition and increasing satiety. If you read no further, this is the simple take-home message.


The message from a long, detailed article by Marty Kendall. https://optimisingnutrition.com/is-...-system-broken/

Eating more vegetable fiber was key to my being satisfied, good satiety per calorie. I don’t want to give the impression I disagree with this doctor…more power to him if he can eat that much
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Old Mon, Oct-25-21, 10:39
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Just for yuks, I made a list of vegetables I might actually add in order to furnish the extraordinary number of fiber grams suggested. I know that spinach (love I!) and cabbage (also good, if gassy) and cauliflower cook down--so more veggie taking less space.

So far:
Spinach 4 cups 2.6 g
1/2 avocado. 5.8 g. (avocado is not a calorie bargain)
Cabbage 2c. 4.5
Cauliflower 2c. 5.0 (cooked and mashed)

Even "boiled down" in this or that recipe, this only adds up to approx. 18g. Still a long way from 50! Never mind. Pass me the Mashed Fauxtatoes (cauliflower).

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Old Mon, Oct-25-21, 11:02
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Good grief, even the F-Plan diet (remember that one!) only recommends a daily fibre intake of between 25-30g.
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Old Mon, Oct-25-21, 11:20
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I add chia seeds to my diet in yogurt and salads, that really increases fiber counts.
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Old Tue, Oct-26-21, 02:21
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I take in 50+ g fiber/day; but I fell off the Paleo wagon and have been way overdoing grains. Additionally, I eat at least 2 big salads most days plus additional veggies (love veggies).
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Old Tue, Oct-26-21, 08:34
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I tried eating half a large cauliflower for lunch. OMG. Uncomfortably stuffed to the gills. And not even close to 50.


The fiber load in mushrooms is abismal. 3. Just 3. That sauted mushrooms cooked to a crisp still retained it's shape gave hope for a higher fiber content. Nope.

Perhaps targeting probiotics and prebiotics is an option to maximize the microbe population on a lesser than 50g fiber diet.........
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