Olive Leaf Extract is supposed to be anti-viral.

I can't vouch for it as I never seem to get sick (I think it's the ketosis).

Bob

Where can you buy sugar free elderberry syrup? Is it something readily available at a pharmacy or Walgreens?

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Walgreens sometimes carries it but when I looked it up it said they were out of stock in stores right now. Considering the panicking going on that isn't surprising.

I order mine from Amazon. Nature's Way Sambucus sugar free. It's cheaper when ordered through subscribe and save and since I have so many mouths taking it, it gets used. We haven't gotten sick since we started taking it, but that could just be coincidence. I also take vit C.

This from Peter at Hyperlipid.
http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot....sumption-4.html

My translation of:



is that high blood sugar encourages cells to be more susceptible to viruses?

Because I love that blog but I need a translator

Like another post says:



We don't want deranged glucose metabolism. So, we are on the right track with ketosis helping our immune system.

Also, found more papers about D3 and its help with the immune system, including an interesting one about why we call the darkest months "flu season."

Being older myself & husband being a lot older, I'm glad we started supplementing with D3 & K2 a while back. It's hard to get him to take hand washing seriously, so the supplementing might help.

Speaking of hand washing, I had to spend a few days at the local library handing out Census information. The table I was given happened to be near the bathroom where - unfortunately - I could hear everything. I noticed that a lot of the men didn't wash their hands. Most - tho not all - of the women washed their hands. Makes me very leery of shaking hands.

One of the shocking things to come out of this emergency is just how few people do. If it helps, remember this is a two-step process: wash your hands and DON'T touch your face. That's how the germs can infest us.

I think handshaking is likely going to go out of fashion. I suggest the Vulcan greeting instead! May we all live long and prosper.

Is this what you were thinking of? Ketosis protects mice from flu: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/327186

Two different viruses so hard to say.

Yes, I would say the general slant of the discussion is how ketosis supports proper immune system behavior.

I think some of the issue is that in older people the immune system activated too late and then it over reacts and is actually the thing that kills you.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...gs-are-inflamed

Discussed handwashing when at a food pantry I was made to sanitize my hands. I was nearly irrate. The attemp at stopping contagion by handwashing was a joke. And here is why.

Many people packed into a small room to wait. Worker hands out numbers.Then people are ushered down a hall to select bread items, and a chsir...to wait another 30 minutes. We chat, catch up, etc. Then as called into room to sign, and drive around a shopping cart. Upon entering was when I was asked to use hand sanitizer. An ask that was an order. I was peeved. It was like closing the barn door after the horse had left the barn !

Ironically, the flu is a bigger risk and that folks have waited to this coronavirus to upped their hand washing and contact with other people just amazes me.

My teen shared that the students received tactical training: how to wash hands effectively. My son dailed miserably. His hands were covered with rust and corroded metal residue as he was prepping scrap metal for recyling (HVAC at tech HS).

Imho helping the body stay healthly enough to fight off this new coronavirus is key. My kids take D3 and K2 as well as mom and dad.

I cant help thinking our poor SAD diets and the multitute of diseases as the body starts to fail is the underlying factor for sucumming to coronavirues. Sure helped to see those graphs. Thanks for posting those.

I don't think hand washing is a bad thing, but I don't think it's a cure-all either.

I think the news is sensationalizing, but that's what the news does.

I think some people are over-reacting and others under-reacting.

Due to the fact that some people have no symptoms, others mild symptoms, and so many are not reported and counted it's impossible to know the true number of cases, and therefore the fatality estimate is probably high. How much? No one knows.

I also know that since some have no symptoms, it's impossible to know if that person who served you lunch, or checked you out at the grocery store, or used that doorknob before you, or hit that atm/elevator/debit card button, or whatever is today's equivalent of "Typhoid Mary".

Therefore it's safe to say, most of us are going to be exposed to this virus. Hopefully later rather than sooner because experience will teach the medical profession how to better care for this.

So washing your hands, keeping social distance, and doing what you can to delay your exposure to the virus is a good thing. And if someone else unknowingly with the virus is washes their hands before they touch the doorknob that you are going to touch, it's definitely worth the effort.

My wife and I are self-employed and due to cancellations we've both lost half a month's income due to this. That is our worst effect so far. But many have fared much worse so we are counting our blessings.

Data from the 1918 flu epidemic may be useful.

The people who had fewer effects and a greater survival rate had two things in common:

1) Open windows and lots of ventilation - hospitals with high ceilings and cross ventilation had much better than average survival rates

2) Outdoors. The hospital rooms were so full they set up tents outside and even put the patients in the sun during the warmest times of the day. These people had the least severe symptoms and the greatest survival rate.

#1 tells me indoor air (and air conditioning) is unhealthy and #2 tells me sunshine (Vitamin D) is beneficial.

This is supported by the cold (also a coronavirus) and flu season hits "up north" (I live in Florida) the worst and always comes in winter. Houses closed up to conserve heat and less UV rays for vitamin D production.

I think that's a logical assumption anyway.

Me? I'm going to be cautious, but neither freaked out nor nonchalant about it. I'm eating minimal carbs to stay in ketosis, I live with my house open anyway (don't use the AC), I go out each day a bit to get sunshine (walk 4 miles outdoors), and I'm avoiding huge crowded spaces (most concerts and theater have been cancelled anyway).

I generally only catch a mild cold every 15 years or so and I truly can't remember the last time I got the flu (1980s?). I think being keto, having trees around my house and living with the windows open is a healthy way to be.

Bob

I have a friend whose son is a qigong and tai chi teacher. My friend and her husband are both older (nearly 80) so considered in the high risk category though both are thin and fit (she plays tennis, they both exercise, etc). However her son has strongly urged them to self-isolate because of their age. He has a blog and she forwarded it to me, with his tips about the coronavirus:
https://flowingzen.com/21048/11-pra...he-coronavirus/

Most of his advice is pretty sensible and resonates with stuff important to us here: Keep you immune system healthy, take your vitamin C, D3, K2. Also get a kick out of his advice on taking supplements:


Also the basic, wash hands, don't shake hands, etc.

But since it's his area of expertise he also says to practice qigong daily. Not anything I know anything about, but he tells his story of how he started out just by vowing to do the qigong exercise called "Lifting the Sky" for a mere two minutes every morning, for 30 days. At the end of 30 days he felt so much better it compelled him to quit his job in IT and spend many of the next few years learning about qigong and tai chi.

So he has a post on the way to do Lifting the Sky. So in addition to my regular stuff I've added two minutes of Lifting the Sky to my morning routine.

Even as he said himself, even if it's just a placebo it can still help.

I'm definitely in ketosis too so we'll see what comes.

Sally Fallon Morell (Nourishing Traditions) has posted the following on her blog: